[Vision2020] Crosswalk Flags: Another Pedestrian CrossingonPullman Road Hit

[Dan Carscallen]

You are correct, Shawn.  There are flags at the 8th street intersection
by Gritman.  There were also flags at the Hwy 8 crosswalk.
 
for some reason they kept disappearing . . . And besides, sometimes you
can't get some people to put out the effort to push the crosswalk
button, how are you going to get them to carry a flag?  I echo Saundra
and Kit that pedestrians need to take some responsibility.  Ted makes
some good points as well -- assume the cars don't see you.  Make eye
contact with the drivers to make sure they recognize your presence.
 
DC

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Clabough
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:21 PM
To: vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crosswalk Flags: Another Pedestrian
CrossingonPullman Road Hit


Do I not recall there being such a container there recently and another
container of flags near Gritman? 
 
Shawn

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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crosswalk Flags: Another Pedestrian Crossing
onPullman Road Hit


I would like to urge Moscow city, business leaders, and student leaders
to take up the cause of creating an "Adopt a Crosswalk Flag" program
like so many other cities the United States have already to prevent
these types of easily avoidable accidents.
 
It is cheap, easy, raises awareness, and increases pedestrian safety.
 
"The idea is simple. Place a container of flags at each end of the
crosswalk and instruct pedestrians to carry one with them while
crossing. The brightly colored flags benefit pedestrians by making them
more visible to drivers and the simple act of holding one alerts drivers
that the pedestrian has a desire and intent to cross the street."

http://www.slcgov.com/Transportation/Pedestrian/pedFlags.htm
 
This works in the cities that use them, and I am sure the city
government, ASUI, and local businesses have the means of buying some
brightly colored flags, sticks, staples, and containers to put them in.
It is also less expensive and quicker than getting approval from the
state government to build an over the road bridge.
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan
 
 

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:23:22 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: Vision2020 at moscow.com; nielsen at uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pedestrian crossing on Pullman road


If they decide not to put in a raised pedestrian crosswalk or a light,
I'd rather they put up a fence along the entire stretch between the two
lights (obviously except for where the road is) so as to force the
students to cross at a light.  That would also entail taking out the
pathway that leads in that direction.

Not my first choice for a solution, but it's better than what we have
now.

Paul

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:



From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
Subject: [Vision2020] Pedestrian crossing on Pullman road
To: "vision 2020" <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 5:08 PM


It's obvious that the present arrangement for the
 crosswalk is  
unsatisfactory. Five lanes across is too wide for a mere two flashing  
lights on either side. The lights also have to compete for visibility  
with all the commercial signs on the north side of the street. These  
small flashing lights are also hidden by large vehicles if you happen  
to be behind one.

Rather than going to the expense of an overhead walkway, with or  
without circular wheelchair ramps at either end. If without ramps,  
wheelchair "pedestrians" would have to go over to the traffic light, 

are there many of these?

Cheaper than an overpass but very effective,

 would be an overhead  
traffic sign stretching right across the street, with crossing times  
controlled by lights. This would also accommodate wheelchair traffic.

I'm sure there are other ideas out there.

Ralph Nielsen


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