[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent To Do God'sWill
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 11 20:18:42 PDT 2008
g. crabtree wrote:
> Having listened to Mrs. Palin's speech and having read the transcript,
> it's clear that you are missing the point she was trying to
> make entirely. In no way did she say that "our leaders were sending
> our troops to do God's will." What she actually said was:
>
> "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what
> is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national
> leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from
> God, That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that
> there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
>
>
> What she was asking for was for her audience to pray for our troops,
> our country, and that our leaders were making the right decisions by
> sending our troops (U.S. soldiers) into harms way. (That there IS A
> PLAN and that plan is God's plan) In other words on a task that is
> from God as opposed to from fallen and fallible man.
You've lost me. How does saying that our task is "from God" and that
"there IS A PLAN and that plan is God's plan" vary significantly from
"our troops doing God's will"? Is there some finer theological point
I'm missing? I doubt that Tom meant to imply that Sarah Palin stated
that God personally told each soldier where to go and what to pack.
>
> That this incredible amount of time and effort is being expended
> throwimg2008091014504376ing everything including the kitchen sink at
> Governor Palin in a desperate effort to find some small thing with
> which to damage her doesn't speak very highly of Barry's campaign. If
> she were truly the insignificant and corrupt little mayor from Podunk
> that everyone on the left was making her out to be this amount of
> noise would be quite unnecessary. That the libs can speak of nothing
> else speaks volumes.
This is counter-intuitive. The more unrealistic a candidate is for
office, the more that will be found about that candidate that shows them
to be unfit. Thus, there will be more "noise" about it. A perfect
candidate would leave the opposition speechless, because there would be
nothing to criticize.
Paul
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Ted Moffett <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>
> *To:* lfalen <mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com>
> *Cc:* vision2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:14 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent
> To Do God'sWill
>
> Roger et. al.
>
> For those who have missed it, here again is a link to a YouTube
> video of Sarah Palin's Wasilla, Alaska church speech, where she
> discusses our leaders sending our troops to do "God's will:"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related>
> -------------------------------
>
> Roger, thanks for your response.
>
> We sometimes don't agree. But you have never resorted to personal
> insults to undermine my posts.
>
> Republican Mitt Romney was governor of one of the most "liberal"
> and Democratic states, Massachusetts, with a huge budget, which he
> was instrumental in managing wisely. He is a smart
> businessperson. He is far more qualified than Sarah Palin as
> McCain's VP choice, but I wonder if he was even seriously
> considered. I would be much happier with him as a Republican
> presidential candidate, for that matter, than McCain. But I think
> his Mormon background was a major negative as a candidate, which
> it should not have been. Yet witness Sarah Palin's disturbing
> statements about US troops being sent to do "God's will," which do
> not appear to be seriously negatively impacting her popularity.
> As if "God" is in the business of waging war? This is scary
> thinking...
>
> Ted Moffett
>
> On 9/8/08, *lfalen* <lfalen at turbonet.com
> <mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com>> wrote:
>
> Ted
> You have some good points here. You are probably right that
> someone who does not belong to a mainstream religion would not
> be elected. As for me I don't care what there religion is or
> if they have one. It is they basic philosophy and and values
> that I am interested in.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:45:24 -0700
> To: vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Separation Of Church And State
> Marginalized: SarahPalin's Church Speech
>
> > Respect for the separation of church and state is not an
> > essential criteria that McCain considered when choosing a
> vice presidential
> > candidate, given Sarah Palin's explicit linking of her
> religion and the
> > goals of government. In fact, given the realities of US
> politics at this
> > time in history, any candidate for president or vice
> president must
> > announce, and back up by action, they are a devout
> Christian, or they will
> > have a limited chance of election. Witness Obama's repeated
> insistence he
> > is not Muslim, his emphasis on his Christian faith, and the
> attacks, by
> > those wishing to undermine his campaign, that he has a
> Muslim background.
> >
> > Does anyone realistically think a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu,
> Wiccan, Atheist
> > or Agnostic, would have a chance of election as
> president? Mitt Romney is
> > far more qualified than McCain as CEO of the US, yet who
> doubts his Mormon
> > heritage, viewed by many Christians as questionably
> "Christian," was a
> > negative? Or that any presidential candidate would choose
> someone
> > representing those other spiritual orientations listed, as a
> VP candidate?
> > Certainly Obama's choice of devout Catholic Joe Biden for VP
> supports this
> > theory, though I trust Biden supports the separation of
> church and state
> > more than it appears Palin does.
> >
> > Religion dominates the US political landscape. It is more
> prejudicial for a
> > candidate for the presidency or VP to be other than
> Christian as a religious
> > orientation, than it is for the candidate to be of a
> "racial" minority, or
> > of the female gender. * *
> > **
> > *I suppose this is some sort of progress!*
> >
> > Religion is a dominate form of prejudice in politics. No, I
> am not offering
> > exhaustive research at this time to back up this claim... I
> have offered
> > exhaustive research to this list on other issues, and it is
> ignored and
> > mocked by those with an irrational bias. Nonetheless, this
> claim appears to
> > have merit. Why else does Karl Rove tailor Republican
> strategy aimed at
> > earning the Christian evangelical vote, certainly a partial
> reason to choose
> > Palin?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related>
>
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