[Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters--Apology
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 7 20:03:03 PDT 2008
If Mr. Schwaller (or whatever his real name is) and Mr. Hayman, would actually read what I said, rather than jumping to conclusions, they would know I was not talking about Bristol's pregnancy, but Sarah's lying to the public and treatment of others. If anyone confused my email as an attack on Bristol, or her character, I apologize.
I don't think Trig, is Sarah's child based on all the evidence out there. Sarah is taking credit for giving birth and raising a child with a disability that is not hers. I think this is dishonest, unfair and belittling to mothers that truly did give birth and raise children with disabilities.
Obama, was talking about attacking candidates children and that being off limits. Which is what people were doing, and I agree, that is uncalled for and inappropriate. But Sarah isn't off limits, she is running for Vice-President, and if she is so dishonest, that should be taken into consideration by the public.
This is my viewpoint, if you don't like, that is your right to believe that. If you cannot separate the difference in your mind between an argument exposing the treatment of a candidate of her children, versus an argument that attacks her children, that is your mental limitation, not a moral lacking on my part or those that define that argument.
I think someone who lies about being the parent of a child to protect their political image, is probably not fit to hold the office of President of the United States. You are entitled to believe, to think, otherwise.
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 9:39 AM
Thank you Mr Hayman for attempting to put an end to this egregious thread. Senator Obama has asked that govenor Palin's daughter and pregnancy be off limits. Perhaps those of you who profess to repsect him, his politics, and his ideology will truly show the level and nature of this respect. Perhaps we can all do this as far as this matter is concerned.
GS
On 9/7/08, Warren Hayman <whayman at roadrunner.com> wrote:
Mr. Arnold,
This statement seems to me to be uncalled for. Could you please refrain from such? It may sound as if I'm squelching free speech, but respect and privacy may well be in order.
Warren Hayman
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: g. crabtree ; Andreas Schou
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters
I think if Trig's mother is Bristol, (which is likely based on the photographic and other evidence) that would mean she had two children before 17, and got pregnant the first time at about 15 years of age.
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 8:51 PM
Gary --
Perhaps you don't understand the way DailyKos works. I, for instance,
could log on and start denying the Holocaust. Or whatever. Until I was
caught -- and deleted -- it'd be up, just like everyone else. And
unlike Jerome Corsi, frequent Free Republic poster and author of Unfit
to Serve and Obama Nation, backpage Daily Kos bloggers don't get their
own wingnut welfare book deals.
-- ACS
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:06 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> Sorry to disappoint tommy but the story originally posted on kos 30 August
> by correspondent who styles herself ArcXIX. Kos has purged the original
> posting but the stories link was forwarded to me by a friend. Here's
the
> link. Note the date:
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
>
> It matters little whether you post once or ad nauseum as is more generally
> the case. Facts is facts. That you don't care for them is of no
importance.
>
> g
>
> P.S. Just located this active link:
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/17933/7330/417/579267
>
> Again, note the date. It looks like once will be plenty for being dead
> wrong.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
<thansen at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters
>
>
>>I am only going to post this one, g-wiz.
>>
>> You stated:
>>
>> "30 August-kos and friends commence to make outlandish and slimy
>> assertions"
>>
>> The earliest article I could find in the Daily Kos, alleging that
Bristol
>> Palin mother of Trig (an allegation yet to be proven - and for me I
don't
>> really give a sh*t), is dated September 1, 2008
>>
>> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/1/13540/20367
>>
>> You went on to mumble:
>>
>> "1 September- Announcement of Bristol's wedding in printed in
Anchorage
>> Daily News"
>>
>> This is true.
>>
>> http://www.adn.com/front/story/512560.html
>>
>> The Daily Kos did not discuss Bristol Palin's current pregnancy
until well
>> after it was announced by Sarah Palin in the Anchorage Daily News . .
.
>> just like I said before.
>>
>> If you want to play spin games, I suggest you find somebody else. You
bore
>> me.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sorry to have to set you straight "bunkie" but I'm
afraid the time line
>> ran
>>> like this:
>>>
>>> 29 August- McCain announces pick for Veep
>>>
>>> 30 August-kos and friends commence to make outlandish and slimy
>> assertions
>>> about the state of Sarah and Bristol's maternal status.
>>>
>>> 1 September- Announcement of Bristol's wedding in printed in
Anchorage
>> Daily
>>> News.
>>>
>>> In your case, I'm guessing the memory problem is deliberate
selectivity
>>> rather than shortness.
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> To: <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
>> <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters
>>>
>>>
>>> > It was Sarah Palin's announcement (published in the
Anchorage Daily
>> News)
>>> > of her pregnant 17-year-old daughter getting married that
first brought
>>> > this to the public eye, g-ster.
>>> >
>>> > What's the matter, bunkie? Short memory?
>>> >
>>> > Tom Hansen
>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> >
>>> >> Excuse me, if there was any "shoving her pregnant
daughter into the
>>> > public
>>> >> eye" it was done by the "progressive media and
bloggers such as kos
>> and
>>> >> huffington. This would be in direct contrast to BHO who
has taken
>> every
>>> >> opportunity (remember access hollywood's extensive
interview of the
>>> > precious
>>> >> tykes along with making sure the kiddies had microphones
in their
>>> > precocious
>>> >> little paws when they were onstage at the dnc
convention?) to pimp his
>>> >> children to the public for the greater glory of "The
One's" campaign.
>>> >>
>>> >> That a local democrat has managed to find a disaffected
Alaskan
>> democrat
>>> > who
>>> >> is willing to make unsubstantiated negative comments
about McCain's VP
>>> > pick
>>> >> comes as no surprise. After all, when you're running
scared there's
>>> > nothing
>>> >> a dem won't do to try and carry the day.
>>> >>
>>> >> g
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> >> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:06 PM
>>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] McCain's Choice Bad for Voters
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > >From today's (September 6, 2008)
"Letters" section of the Spokesman
>>> >> > >Review
>>> >> > with thanks to Anesa Miller of Pullman.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
---------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >
>>> >> > McCain's choice bad for voters
>>> >> >
>>> >> > John McCain has foisted an unknown politician on
American voters
>> with
>>> >> > barely two months for her credentials to be revealed
and considered.
>>> > Now
>>> >> > his campaign wants to silence questions with
bullying worthy of Bill
>>> >> > O'Reilly.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If we think her resume - PTA, small-town mayor, 18
months as
>> governor
>>> > of
>>> >> > our least populous state - looks a bit thin, Carly
Fiorina shrieks
>>> > sexism.
>>> >> > If we question her judgment as a mother - shoving
her pregnant
>> daughter
>>> >> > into the public eye - Steve Schmidt cries
"trumped-up media
>> scandal."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Meanwhile, the facts of Palin's background that
continue to trickle
>> out
>>> >> > are anything but reassuring. For an even-handed and
balanced
>> history of
>>> >> > Palin's public life, written by a well-informed
woman unafraid to
>> come
>>> >> > forward and give her name (despite the real danger
of retaliation),
>>> > check
>>> >> > out:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This is not rumor or smear, but the details are
sobering.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The real scandal here is McCain's attempt to
pander for votes by
>>> > putting
>>> >> > such an unqualified candidate a heartbeat away from
the presidency.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Anesa Miller
>>> >> > Pullman
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
---------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Tom Hansen
>>> >> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000
college students. The
>> college
>>> >> > students are not very active in local elections
(thank goodness!)."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college
>>> > students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."
>>> >
>>> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>> >
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>>
>>
>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college
>> students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>
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