[Vision2020] Roger's response

[Sue Hovey]

Roger, you are quite correct.  For what it's worth, I'm willing to let this 
retraction go.

Sue
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>; 
<sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Roger's response


> As soon as it was questioned, I checked it out and immediately corrected 
> what I said. To the best that I can remember that was on the vision. I am 
> not responsible for what Don Said. You guys are something else. You wont 
> let a retraction go. You continue to bash me.  You do the same to  John 
> McCain for his association with Keeting 25 years ago. Something he said 
> "was the biggest mistake of his life". But you continue to give Obama a 
> pass on his obvious untruths.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:12:28 -0700
> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com,  thansen at moscow.com, 
> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com,  vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Roger's response
>
>> Now that's interesting.  How do you retract a statement in a rebuttal?
>> However, if you had done it before the election we would not have had to
>> spend the money to defuse the situation and give lie to the statement.
>> And neither Shirley nor I remember a retraction, let alone an apology. 
>> Don
>> Meyer's letter was published in the Daily News on Nov 1st and from that 
>> time
>> until the vote on Nov 7,  you wrote no retraction statement for the Daily
>> News, and offered no explanation other than to stand by the story. In 
>> fact,
>> the day before the election in an attempt to smear her further you
>> plublished an ad dealing with the pledge.  You say you retracted it
>> publically in the Vision.  Well that wasn't where the charge appeared, 
>> but
>> even so, it didn't happen prior to the election or I would have made a 
>> copy
>> and thanked you for it.    Jim Fisher's editorial came out after the
>> election on November 10, in which he said you owed Shirley an apology.  I
>> guess you retracted that, because she never got one.  And unless you 
>> would
>> like to post some documentation to support your claim, I really am 
>> through
>> with this issue.  And I'm grateful that Shirley  hasn't had to deal with
>> mudslinging in her race this year.  Of course Don Meyer may have episode 
>> #2
>> just waiting.
>>
>> Sue Hovey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin I: Firing Monegan
>>
>>
>> >I did retract it publicly. On vision2020 and in a rebuttal to Jim 
>> >Fischer.
>> > Roger
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
>> > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:39:20 -0700
>> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com,  thansen at moscow.com,
>> > sunilramalingam at hotmail.com,  vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin I: Firing Monegan
>> >
>> >> Roger, this was a campaign ago, but it continues to have relevance. 
>> >> The
>> >> charge came out in the Daily News in a letter to the editor from Don
>> >> Meyer.
>> >> You did not retract it when you found out it was untrue. When I called
>> >> Don
>> >> on it he blamed Gary Schroeder and Tom Trail, but backed off that 
>> >> claim
>> >> and
>> >> hung up on me when I told him I was going to call them for 
>> >> verification.
>> >> I
>> >> didn't have to talk with him but a few minutes to realize he had no 
>> >> valid
>> >> information to support the claim.   You continued to circulate the 
>> >> story.
>> >> Right up till election day I had people call to ask if it were true.
>> >> If
>> >> you had retracted it publically, Shirley's campaign could have saved
>> >> hundreds of dollars because we had to pay for an ad to rebut Don's 
>> >> letter
>> >> and your continued talk.  I know you didn't start the lie, but it was
>> >> written to advocate a  vote for you instead of Shirley and you had a
>> >> responsibility to validate it if you were going to continue to spread 
>> >> it.
>> >> You may have apologized to her personally after the campaign.  I think
>> >> you
>> >> probably did, but the damage was done by then.  Fortunately she won
>> >> anyway
>> >> even though I know that lie cost her votes.
>> >>
>> >> Sue Hovey
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> >> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
>> >> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
>> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:22 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin I: Firing 
>> >> Monegan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Roger Falen stated:
>> >> >
>> >> > "I did not lie. Repeating something that you think is true and
>> >> > retracting
>> >> > it when you find ot that it is not, is not lying. If it is you are
>> >> > guilty
>> >> > of a lot of it. I am sure that if I had the time I could go back 
>> >> > though
>> >> > the archives and find plenty of time where you have been less than
>> >> > truthful. These kinds of personals attacks are ar reflection of you, 
>> >> > no
>> >> > one else. Please argue the facts as you understand them and or 
>> >> > opinions
>> >> > and leave out the personal insults."
>> >> >
>> >> > I simply asked you to substantiate your claim that Barack Obama
>> >> > announced
>> >> > his candidacy for the Illinois state senate from the house of Bill
>> >> > Ayers . . . nothing, nothing less.
>> >> >
>> >> > I AM arguing the facts, Roger.  Senator Obama NEVER announced his
>> >> > candidacy for the Illinois state senate (or any other elected 
>> >> > office),
>> >> > at
>> >> > ANY time, from the house of Bill Ayers.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you desire to attack me with your claims of my dishonesty . . .
>> >> > please
>> >> > do.  I can handle the "weight".  Besides, I have come to expect such
>> >> > criticism from you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Otherwise this conversation has not only lost any sense of validity, 
>> >> > it
>> >> > has lost my interest.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom Hansen
>> >> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >> >
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