[Vision2020] Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood

[No Weatherman]

Chas:

Here's an example of what I meant when I said autobiographies are
self-serving exercises in bloviation.

Obama wrote two memoirs and neither of them cover his primary
executive experience at CAC.

This registers with me. It doesn't bother you.

It gives me more fodder to believe that Ayers said, "Let's not call
attention to the foundation founded by the domestic terrorist who's
doing your ghost writing in your ground-breaking memoir."

And I conclude that Obama never intended his book to reveal anything
truthful about him and I'm satisfied knowing that, even though you
excuse Obama's public behavior, you find his actions cowardly and
disingenuous when he threw all his dirty associates overboard for
political expediency's sake.

That tells me everything I need to know about Barak Obama and it gives
me a little insight into ChasUK.



On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 13:47, No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I asked you to give one example. One simple example. And you evaded
>> the question to make more hasty generalizations which do not
>> constitute "an example"
>
> You have provided a multitude of examples. I evade nothing, but I'm
> not going to cut-and-paste your own words for you.  Or is another
> No.Weatherman to blame?  Don't be disingenuous.
>
>> Did it ever occur to you that autobiographies are self-serving
>> exercises in bloviation? I care what Obama says about himself less
>> than I care what you say about him. I have argued from the beginning
>> that the truth about the man is much more important than anything
>> anyone says about him.
>
> Yada yada yada yada.  And the truth about the man can more clearly be
> established by only examining the hostile evidence, of course.  You
> take the cowards way out again.
>
>> I would prefer to leave it there but if you want this conversation to
>> spin off into the world of imputing intentions to one another, please
>> let me know. If not, I'll continue to show you the respect that you
>> refuse to show me.
>
> Respect?  That's what you call avoidance and obfuscation?
>
>> No, not knowing the page count of Dreams, this is only a guess. But I
>> would guess that Cashill and Heiden have amassed more pages analyzing
>> Dreams than Ayers did writing it.
>
> You guess?  Sound, lucid, that.  You wouldn't have to guess if you
> would just read.
>
>> You condemn me for not listening to Obama's (alleged) words in Dreams
>> and you condemn me for listening to Obama's certain words regarding
>> Wright.
>
> You need to polish your reading comprehension, or pay more attention.
> I condemn you for passing judgment on words that you haven't read
> (Obama's), and I condemn you for not listening to Wright's own
> testimony.  Either would take too much intellectual integrity.
>
> Let's suppose that we were both writing a biography of the same man.
> You write a book citing only his opponents.  You don't reference any
> of his autobiographical work.  His proponents you also ignore.  In my
> book, I cite opponents, proponents and memoirs.  Which do you think
> would give the less biased picture, the greater understanding?
>
> I know that you have a problem with personal impressions, because of
> course they never have any relevance, but I ask that you take a stab
> at answering the question, anyway.
>
> Unless you actually maintain that the truth about a person can only be
> accurately established if one sticks solely to the hostile evidence?
>
> Chas
>