[Vision2020] Questions for No. Weatherman

[No Weatherman]

>  > I understand that YOU believe Wright is not a black-separatist
>  > anti-Semitic America-hating racist pig and I presume you understand
>  > that your view is the minority view.

> Let me also do a little clarifying:  I know that I might hold the
>  minority view, but that's okay.  The majority might have the power,
>  but that says nothing about truth.
>
>  The majority believe whatever makes them feel good, or whatever is
>  easiest to digest.  They possess few, if any, critical faculties.  I
>  don't think I need to substantiate these claims.  On this, we probably
>  already agree.

No, we do not agree at all. I do not concede one point in this
paragraph. This is an example of a "spitball" where you make it up and
expect me to go along. You must substantiate these claims if they are
in any way salient to your answer.

>  Wright today and Wright yesterday are undoubtedly different persons.
>  We all are.  Perhaps Wright's ideas have evolved malignantly over the
>  years, and that's what Obama now repudiates.  I conjecture that if
>  Wright  had been the man then that he is today, they might not have
>  become friends.

Conjecture = Spitball

>  If you and I had been friends for 20 years, and you suddenly and
>  publicly announced your support for something truly heinous, I
>  wouldn't reject you as a friend, but -- if I were a serious contender
>  for President of the United States -- I might have to disassociate
>  myself from your beliefs.  I still consider this cowardice, but
>  sometimes I am a coward.

Your personal experience is irrelevant to Obama's public actions. The
two are not connected in any way.

>  Of course, I may be wrong, and you may be correct.  Wright may be a
>  black-separatist anti-Semitic America-hating racist pig, and this is
>  the "person" of whom Obama speaks.

This is the exact point I'm getting at. Wright is all of those things
and Obama was one of the African-Americans sitting in the audience
cheering on the racist pig during his harangues — unless you can come
up with another explanation.

>  You ask:
> > I'm curious, therefore, exactly what political expedience do you
>  > believe compelled Obama to disassociate from Wright, saying, "I have
>  > been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992. I have
>  > known Reverend Wright for almost 20 years. The person I saw yesterday
>  > was not the person that I met 20 years ago. . . . What we saw
>  > yesterday out of Reverend Wright was a resurfacing and, I believe, an
>  > exploitation of those old divisions. Whatever his intentions, that was
>  > the result."

> The complete context of the remarks you quote is here:
>  http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/04/29/obama_remarks/
>
>  In these remarks, Obama denies political expediency ("political
>  posturing"), but I think that's exactly what it was.

Now we know that in your opinion, Barack Obama tells lies in public if
it serves his political ends. I happen to agree with this opinion but
neither of us has substantiated the point, which is a primary
objective of this conversation.

>  if you watch the videos at the links I've provided, you will see
>  evidence that Wright is a good man who has sacrificed much and walked
>  the Christian walk instead of just talked the Christian talk.  He may
>  indeed harbor a black-separatist anti-Semitic America-hating racist
>  pig inside him. but I don't believe that is the man who inspired
>  Obama.  I'm sure you are familiar with the maxim "action speaks louder
>  than words."  Conflate this with Jesus' message from the Sermon on the
>  Mount, "By their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:16, American
>  Standard Version, for those who care), and hopefully you see the man
>  that I do, who isn't a bogeyman at all.

>  That's the best answer I can give.

I know lots of maxims. For example, "Money talks, bullshit walks."

Obama funneled heaps of cash to Wright's radically fringe operations
yet he claims he never knew that his "father-like figure," his
"mentor," is a black-separatist, anti-Semitic, America-hating racist
pig. And that's the heart of the question that I'm driving at.

We need to eliminate opinions and deal with the documented facts.

Which is it — did Obama know the truth about Wright or is he
incompetent or is there another explanation that justifies his
membership in a black version of a white KKK church?