[Vision2020] Block the Vote

No Weatherman no.weatherman at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 08:34:21 PDT 2008 

Paul asks:

"Voter tests are about the least democratic idea possible. How do you
define a "competent" voter?  One that agrees with the tester?"

I answer, No, that's the test for "free" participation in this forum.

Paul states:

"You do a disservice to young people by trying to imply that they
would vote "incompetently". It's been my experience that younger
voters are better informed, because they are doing this for the first
time, realize it's importance, and haven't yet become jaded by the
system."

I reply, You have just made your observation the standard for this
so-called test.

Paul:

I have not thought this all the way through but the test should
require a basic understanding of representative government and the US
Constitution, including the Bill of Rights.

Driving laws require drivers to measure up to very fundamental
standards before we issue licenses, why shouldn't voting laws be
similar?

I am not proposing a litmus test for political correctness or for
left/right hotbutton issues. I am suggesting a reasonable standard
that insures the voter understands the basics or our republic before
he casts a vote.

Obviously, this would sink the Democratic Party but that's not my goal.


On 10/22/08, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Voter tests are about the least democratic idea possible.  How do you define
> a "competent" voter?  One that agrees with the tester?  You do a disservice
> to young people by trying to imply that they would vote "incompetently".
> It's been my experience that younger voters are better informed, because
> they are doing this for the first time, realize it's importance, and haven't
> yet become jaded by the system.
>
>  Paul
>
>
>  No Weatherman wrote:
>
> > Paul:
> >
> > I've not pressed any hard numbers. I've been careful to post articles
> > from the msm that report voter registration fraud.
> >
> > Percentages don't matter, whether it's .01% or 100%, because in the
> > end we cannot catch every fraudulent vote so these numbers don't
> > matter.
> >
> > What does matter is that slogan made famous in South Africa — "One man
> > one vote."
> >
> > Not "Two hundred thousand dead men voting for Obama."
> >
> > You're trying to invalidate ACORN's illegal activities by pointing at
> > percentages as though it's no big deal.
> >
> > It is a big deal and it looks like they planned to flood the system
> > with bogus registrations on purpose.
> >
> > Do you think it's an accident?
> >
> > As far as young voters taking part in the process, I'm a little bit
> concerned.
> >
> > I believe there should be a "voting test" like there's a "driving
> > test" to make sure young voters don't commit voting manslaughter
> > because of their incompetence.
> >
> > Voting requires as much responsibility as driving and in some ways, more.
> >
> > Too many people do hit and runs in the voting booth, not knowing what
> > they're doing.
> >
> > I can think of several examples in this forum.
> >
> >
> > On 10/22/08, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > You are always going on about the number of bogus registrations
> processed by
> > > ACORN, but I never hear you talk about the number of valid registrations
> > > processed by them.  The percentage of invalid ones is small.  ACORN has
> been
> > > registering people in droves.  The only reason they are considered
> > > "left-leaning" by the media is because they are focusing on areas with
> lots
> > > of minorities and poor people.  This, apparently, frightens the GOP.
> > >
> > >  I've also read that there has been a large number of registrations (not
> > > necessarily processed by ACORN) of young voters.  I think it's about
> time
> > > they all took part in the process, don't you?
> > >
> > >  Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >  No Weatherman wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > After reading this fact filled expose in Rolling Stone, I think that
> > > > Ms Lund may be on to something.
> > > >
> > > > The GOP has conspired to distract America's attention away from their
> > > > nefarious doings by pointing to ACORN's sweeping violations of voter
> > > > registration law in every single battleground state.
> > > >
> > > > Dead men don't talk, they vote.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/21/08, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Perhaps the reason the GOP has made much ado over ACORN is simply
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > nothing
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  more than Politics of Distraction hoping we'll all miss out on the
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > crucial
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  issue of voter suppression.  This article really is a must read for
> all
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > of
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  us who understand that the ability of individuals to vote -- and to
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > have
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  their votes counted -- are cornerstones of our democracy:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Block the Vote
> > > > >  Will the GOP's campaign to deter new voters and discard Democratic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > ballots
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  determine the next president?
> > > > >  ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. & GREG PALAST
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  And, for those of you who have friends in areas where these tactics
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > might be
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  used, please pass along this non-partisan resource:
> > > > >  http://www.gregpalast.com/sbyv/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  Saundra Lund
> > > > >  Moscow, ID
> > > > >
> > > > >  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
> to
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> > > >
> > > do
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  nothing.
> > > > >  ~ Edmund Burke
> > > > >
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> > > > >  70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
> reproduce
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> > > >
> > > outside
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> > > >
> > > > >  the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> > > > >  author.*****
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