[Vision2020] FW: See Y'all

[No Weatherman]

That's because you're a racist.


On 10/15/08, Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
>  I must reply to Mr. NO because although I haven't read many of his posts, I
>  did read this exchange and found evidence of what others have referred to in
>  posting about Mr. NO.
>
>  Mr. Hayman states "So, rather than deny the first amendment to any piece of
>  writing, and given that I find the words within these posts overbearingly
>  rude, unnecessarily aggressive and pedantic, and, uh, in short, off-putting"
>
>   Yet Mr. No says "Therefore, when you call me "overbearingly rude," I
>  confess to overbearing at times (if this means flooding the forum with
>  information) but I am far from rude. This charge belongs to others."
>
>  I didn't read that in Mr. Hayman's reply. He called your words rude, and so
>  do I.
>
>  Kris Freitag
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>  On Behalf Of No Weatherman
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:44 AM
>  To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] See Y'all
>
>  Mr. Hayman,
>
>  It is true that "both ball and court do not lie in the sole possession
>  of the player," but it is not true that they are a "shared phenomena."
>
>  A phenomenon is an occurrence - like a game or a conversation - but it
>  is not an object like a ball or court.
>
>  In this game we have a forum or a platform for people to exercise
>  their free speech which, according to your metaphor, is the ball and
>  court, and we have phenomena which is where your metaphor does not
>  correspond. Free speech is the phenomena, it's the "shared" occurrence
>  in the forum.
>
>  The difficulty confronting a few select members of this forum is that,
>  from the moment I entered the conversation, they have refused to
>  engage one single point of mine. IOW, they will not share the
>  phenomena.
>
>  Rather, they have opted to make ME the POINT of discussion much to
>  their perpetual angst because I will not bite.
>
>  Throughout this my point has not changed though it's had its assorted
>  hues. I want to discuss the issues but the great majority of the
>  others would rather discuss me, contra my intention to remove the ad
>  hominem from the equation and contra a means used by the founding
>  fathers.
>
>  In exchange for my contributions to this forum, which I have based in
>  fact for the most part, I have been called unbelievable names -
>  everything from "pieces of moral slime properly to be shunned by all
>  decent people" to "racist" to "pawn scum" - apparently because I have
>  not identified myself as I raise serious questions about Barack Obama.
>  So much for the ad hom.
>
>  In addition to this, two women who promised not to exchange with me
>  cannot stop from misquoting me as they dialogue with me, if only
>  indirectly. This creates a difficulty for me because when I respond to
>  them, one ignores me in order to misquote me again and the other just
>  insults me, oftentimes adding another misrepresentation to the
>  affront.
>
>  These two, to say the least, have been provocative and antagonistic
>  which says nothing of their repeated violations of the agreed upon 3
>  posts per day, an agreement that was only signed by me, apparently,
>  and is only enforced when someone asks hard questions about Barack
>  Obama.
>
>  The honest observer, however, will see that I have not treated others
>  at they have treated me and I have had profitable exchanges with at
>  least three regulars.
>
>  Therefore, when you call me "overbearingly rude," I confess to
>  overbearing at times (if this means flooding the forum with
>  information) but I am far from rude. This charge belongs to others.
>
>  My response to Mr. Hillebrand was direct but it was not rude, unless
>  he actually did not read all of the complaints about me as well as my
>  responses to them, in which case I confess I was rude but for other
>  reasons. No offense intended.
>
>  Where does this leave us?
>
>  I would say that Mr. Hayman has taken his free speech and gone home.
>  It's a free world, more power to him.
>
>  I am still here, however, and I invite anyone, even those who have
>  hitherto for insulted me, to engage any single point of mine. I
>  promise I will not be rude and I will not call you names.
>
>  I have lived by this rule with one exception, that is, Dave who called
>  Gov. Palin a "c*&t" and a "Christian terrorist" by which I properly
>  identified him as a "blithering idiot," and I intend to continue
>  living by this rule.
>
>  Vision 20/20 is the forum. It is the ball and court. Free speech is
>  the "shared phenomena" and it is only "shared" to the extent that
>  others participate. Sometimes this means reading only, other times it
>  means interacting with a point.
>
>  I say let's share.
>
>
>  On 10/14/08, Warren Hayman <whayman at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Hello All,
>  >
>  > After responding to an anonymous posting earlier, I realized that I had,
>  > without thinking it through, violated my own ethics of communication. I
>  > thought about it. Reminded myself that this morning alone, in the midst of
>  > work, I deleted almost two dozen anonymous postings while sifting to find
>  > more important, or at least relevant (to me, to be sure) missives. The
>  > posting to Tim Hillebrand a few minutes ago pushed me over. The defense of
>  > postings and promise of the plethora of more within the missive fairly
>  > smacked of the "my ball, my rules" mentality found on elementary school
>  > playgrounds, even though both ball and court do not lie in the sole
>  > possession of the player. They are, in fact, shared phenomena.
>  >
>  > So, rather than deny the first amendment to any piece of writing, and
>  given
>  > that I find the words within these posts overbearingly rude, unnecessarily
>  > agressive and pedantic, and, uh, in short, off-putting, I am outta here on
>  > the Viz until after the election.
>  >
>  > Warren Hayman
>  >
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