[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: "Left Wing" Slant Anonymous Posting...

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Roger
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From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:06:08 -0700
To: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: "Left Wing" Slant Anonymous Posting...

> It was GrayTreeCrab aka Big Bertha (a name I thought was extremely 
> childish).  I happen to have a few posts of his or hers saved because I 
> hate to delete anything.
> 
> I also remember a "Doug's Hero", and a "News of Christ Church" or 
> something similar.  However, these appear to be anti-Christ Church as 
> opposed to being "left wing".
> 
> I'm sure there were others.
> 
> Although I sign posts with just my first name, and my email address does 
> not contain my name, my full name should appear in the "From" line.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Ted Moffett wrote:
> > The anonymous Vision2020 participant "greytreecrab" (assuming I have 
> > this correct... this "word" was in the e-mail address under which 
> > these posts were posted, not a signature to posts) did post with a 
> > political slant, as I recall, towards what some would term "the 
> > left."  But though I have searched for these posts, I have not found 
> > an example.  There were not an abundance of posts that occurred from 
> > this source.
> >  
> > Ted Moffett
> >
> >  
> > On 10/3/08, *Ted Moffett* <starbliss at gmail.com 
> > <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Recall the anonymous participant "greytreecrab," I think it was? 
> >     This was likely a play on the name of a
> >     a regular Vision2020 participant, who I don't need to name for
> >     anyone who follows Vision2020.
> >      
> >     I always (nearly) sign my full name to my posts.  While some on
> >     this list know that I am not an anonymous participant just from my
> >     e-mail address or first name, there may be many who would not know
> >     this, especially those new to this area or new to Vision2020.
> >      
> >     On this point, there are Vision2020 participants who usually sign
> >     their posts with only their first name.  I don't personally know
> >     some of these participants.  The only reason I assume they not
> >     hiding their identity is that others on the list appear to
> >     personally know them.
> >      
> >     Still, I think everyone should sign their posts with their full
> >     name.  This helps to promote openness and honesty on the list,
> >     especially for those new to Vision2020.  Those who sign their
> >     posts with only their first name cast an aura on the list of it
> >     being a insiders club for a local gossip session, I think, which
> >     in fact it sometimes actually is... This perhaps does not
> >     encourage new participants, which Vision2020 needs. 
> >      
> >     Some people may have good reasons for not signing their full name,
> >     or using a pseudonym, personal safety or work restrictions, for
> >     example.
> >      
> >     Given that I have been deceived in the past by anonymous
> >     participants, if I suspect a participant is hiding their identity,
> >     I now mostly ignore these posts, though sometimes I will extend
> >     trust to a new participant, without checking on their identity as
> >     presented, if the post content does not seem "suspicious."
> >      
> >     To change the subject away from the subject heading of this
> >     post (which I usually try to avoid), and address a comment in the
> >     post below, about local churches and their political activity: 
> >      
> >     Some local churches function as a political machine in a manner
> >     (lock step, authoritarian, with a political agenda that can impact
> >     local government) that is quite different than some other local
> >     churches.  This fact is why there is a special focus among some in
> >     the local community towards certain churches regarding their
> >     efforts to impact the nature of the community.  But as the
> >     comments below state, this is "so dang obvious," so excuse me for
> >     the redundancy that nonetheless appears to need restating over and
> >     over...
> >      
> >     Ted Moffett
> >
> >      
> >     On 10/2/08, *joekc at roadrunner.com <mailto:joekc at roadrunner.com>*
> >     <joekc at roadrunner.com <mailto:joekc at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
> >
> >         I have supported J. Ford for personal reasons. But as has been
> >         pointed out. Other than that I'm
> >         not sure what you're talking about. But since you seem to have
> >         all of my posts saved and
> >         categorized -- or one of your friends does -- no doubt you'll
> >         bring one up if I'm mistaken!
> >
> >         I am not reading Dr. No's posts for the simple reason that
> >         what little I did read contained, as I
> >         noted, obvious and numerous fallacies. There is not much of a
> >         challenge there and little interest.
> >
> >         He does get my panties in a wad, I'll admit. But not because
> >         of his arguments, or even his insults.
> >         I still can't get over how a local church could so blatantly
> >         act like a political machine. That they
> >         can continue to do so while most people, intelligent though
> >         most may be, fail to notice what
> >         strikes me as being so dang obvious.
> >
> >         Just to make my point, I'll ask you straight up, Gary. Are you
> >         really going to tell me that you don't
> >         know who No Weatherman is, and with what church he is
> >         affiliated? We may have our differences
> >         but, previous name-calling aside, I certainly consider you to
> >         be intelligent. But my guess is, you'll say "No" and "No." And
> >         that just makes my point. I am stunned that they could pull
> >         the wool over
> >         even your eyes, a crafty, no-nonsense man of the people. Just
> >         thinking about it, let alone being
> >         reminded of it on a daily basis, drives me fricken nuts.
> >
> >         And since I'm not reading Dr. No's posts and you consider him
> >         to be so challenging, could you just
> >         repeat for me what you take to be his best point, and the best
> >         argument for that point. Just one.
> >         If it is not an easily identifiable fallacy, I'll be shocked.
> >         But prove me wrong! Just one example.
> >
> >         --
> >         Joe Campbell
> >
> >
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