[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: "Left Wing" Slant Anonymous Posting...

[Paul Rumelhart]

It was GrayTreeCrab aka Big Bertha (a name I thought was extremely 
childish).  I happen to have a few posts of his or hers saved because I 
hate to delete anything.

I also remember a "Doug's Hero", and a "News of Christ Church" or 
something similar.  However, these appear to be anti-Christ Church as 
opposed to being "left wing".

I'm sure there were others.

Although I sign posts with just my first name, and my email address does 
not contain my name, my full name should appear in the "From" line.

Paul

Ted Moffett wrote:
> The anonymous Vision2020 participant "greytreecrab" (assuming I have 
> this correct... this "word" was in the e-mail address under which 
> these posts were posted, not a signature to posts) did post with a 
> political slant, as I recall, towards what some would term "the 
> left."  But though I have searched for these posts, I have not found 
> an example.  There were not an abundance of posts that occurred from 
> this source.
>  
> Ted Moffett
>
>  
> On 10/3/08, *Ted Moffett* <starbliss at gmail.com 
> <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Recall the anonymous participant "greytreecrab," I think it was? 
>     This was likely a play on the name of a
>     a regular Vision2020 participant, who I don't need to name for
>     anyone who follows Vision2020.
>      
>     I always (nearly) sign my full name to my posts.  While some on
>     this list know that I am not an anonymous participant just from my
>     e-mail address or first name, there may be many who would not know
>     this, especially those new to this area or new to Vision2020.
>      
>     On this point, there are Vision2020 participants who usually sign
>     their posts with only their first name.  I don't personally know
>     some of these participants.  The only reason I assume they not
>     hiding their identity is that others on the list appear to
>     personally know them.
>      
>     Still, I think everyone should sign their posts with their full
>     name.  This helps to promote openness and honesty on the list,
>     especially for those new to Vision2020.  Those who sign their
>     posts with only their first name cast an aura on the list of it
>     being a insiders club for a local gossip session, I think, which
>     in fact it sometimes actually is... This perhaps does not
>     encourage new participants, which Vision2020 needs. 
>      
>     Some people may have good reasons for not signing their full name,
>     or using a pseudonym, personal safety or work restrictions, for
>     example.
>      
>     Given that I have been deceived in the past by anonymous
>     participants, if I suspect a participant is hiding their identity,
>     I now mostly ignore these posts, though sometimes I will extend
>     trust to a new participant, without checking on their identity as
>     presented, if the post content does not seem "suspicious."
>      
>     To change the subject away from the subject heading of this
>     post (which I usually try to avoid), and address a comment in the
>     post below, about local churches and their political activity: 
>      
>     Some local churches function as a political machine in a manner
>     (lock step, authoritarian, with a political agenda that can impact
>     local government) that is quite different than some other local
>     churches.  This fact is why there is a special focus among some in
>     the local community towards certain churches regarding their
>     efforts to impact the nature of the community.  But as the
>     comments below state, this is "so dang obvious," so excuse me for
>     the redundancy that nonetheless appears to need restating over and
>     over...
>      
>     Ted Moffett
>
>      
>     On 10/2/08, *joekc at roadrunner.com <mailto:joekc at roadrunner.com>*
>     <joekc at roadrunner.com <mailto:joekc at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>
>         I have supported J. Ford for personal reasons. But as has been
>         pointed out. Other than that I'm
>         not sure what you're talking about. But since you seem to have
>         all of my posts saved and
>         categorized -- or one of your friends does -- no doubt you'll
>         bring one up if I'm mistaken!
>
>         I am not reading Dr. No's posts for the simple reason that
>         what little I did read contained, as I
>         noted, obvious and numerous fallacies. There is not much of a
>         challenge there and little interest.
>
>         He does get my panties in a wad, I'll admit. But not because
>         of his arguments, or even his insults.
>         I still can't get over how a local church could so blatantly
>         act like a political machine. That they
>         can continue to do so while most people, intelligent though
>         most may be, fail to notice what
>         strikes me as being so dang obvious.
>
>         Just to make my point, I'll ask you straight up, Gary. Are you
>         really going to tell me that you don't
>         know who No Weatherman is, and with what church he is
>         affiliated? We may have our differences
>         but, previous name-calling aside, I certainly consider you to
>         be intelligent. But my guess is, you'll say "No" and "No." And
>         that just makes my point. I am stunned that they could pull
>         the wool over
>         even your eyes, a crafty, no-nonsense man of the people. Just
>         thinking about it, let alone being
>         reminded of it on a daily basis, drives me fricken nuts.
>
>         And since I'm not reading Dr. No's posts and you consider him
>         to be so challenging, could you just
>         repeat for me what you take to be his best point, and the best
>         argument for that point. Just one.
>         If it is not an easily identifiable fallacy, I'll be shocked.
>         But prove me wrong! Just one example.
>
>         --
>         Joe Campbell
>
>
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