[Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma

No Weatherman no.weatherman at gmail.com
Sat Oct 4 09:09:59 PDT 2008


Dr. Campbell,

You have made numerous unsustainable accusations against me, including
the one where you wrote, "I said as far as I can tell, it is a
reflection of my own reasoned opinion. And I said anonymous posters
are either supporters or critics. Please read my words more
carefully."

You have ignored my response to this statement where I noted that you
slipped in the word "fact" to describe what you now call your
"reasoned opinion."

Tell me, do logicians call this the fallacy of equivocation? Are you
having it both ways? Is there a double standard at work here?

Then, after refusing to answer my question, which had no hidden
agenda, you want me to answer your loaded questions, "Again, what
supports your curious double-standard? Why do you get to post fallacy
after fallacy and others need absolute proof of their claims?"

These are loaded questions, aren't they? You have not produced one
example of me using a double standard or one example of me posting
fallacy after fallacy, yet you assert it as a given fact. In fact, you
have gone out of your way to inform both me and this forum that you
have not read my posts but all of a sudden you have carefully analyzed
them and discovered "fallacy after fallacy" without one citation.

I have the highest respect for you but I cannot understand why you
would want to be so disingenuous.



On 10/4/08, joekc at roadrunner.com <joekc at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> As far as I can tell, you are not denying it. Which is curious indeed.
>
>  Again, what supports your curious double-standard? Why do you get to post fallacy after fallacy
>  and others need absolute proof of their claims? And why don't you use your name?
>
>  Curious indeed!
>
>
>  --
>  Joe Campbell
>
>  ---- No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I read your words very carefully, because you concluded by jumping
>  > from "as far as I can tell" to "isn't this FACT telling?"
>  >
>  > As far as I can tell you concluded by calling it a "fact." Is my
>  > reasoned opinion wrong, good Doctor?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
> > On 10/4/08, joekc at roadrunner.com <joekc at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>  > > I said as far as I can tell, it is a reflection of my own reasoned opinion. And I said anonymous
>  > >  posters are either supporters or critics. Please read my words more carefully.
>  > >
>  > >  And that conclusion follows with a good deal more certainty than any of your conclusions about
>  > >  Obama, which are all -- everyone of them -- based on fallacies.
>  > >
>  > >  What reason is there for your curious double-standard, that I need to prove my claims yet you can
>  > >  make any reckless statement you want without a hint of real support?
>  > >
>  > >  And why not deny the allegation if you thought I made it and it is false. You are curious indeed!
>  > >
>  > >  And as others have asked time and time again, what possible reason is there for you to post
>  > >  anonymously if you are not trying to hide some affiliation? Use your real name and I'll be done.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  --
>  > >  Joe Campbell
>  > >
>  > >  ---- No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > > AHA!
>  > >  >
>  > >  > What evidence can Dr. Campbell produce to show that I am either a folk
>  > >  > of Christ Church or a critic of Christ Church?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Some of you would do well to answer this question and do some self-examination.
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > On 10/4/08, joekc at roadrunner.com <joekc at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>  > >  > > What evidence is there that the five noted by Gary below are "left wing"? In fact, what they all
>  > >  > >  have in common is that they were critics of Christ Church. That is it.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  So the anonymous posts, as far as I can tell, are either from folks at Christ Church or from
>  > >  > >  critics of Christ Church. Does anyone have a counterexample to this and isn't this fact telling?
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  --
>  > >  > >  Joe Campbell
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > > > I believe that Rodger means that the names were brought up (listed) by
>  > >  > >  > myself and someone else as examples of anonymous posters. Not that those
>  > >  > >  > vision members were posting currently.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > g
>  > >  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > >  > >  > From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
>  > >  > >  > To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>  > >  > >  > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>  > >  > >  > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:24 PM
>  > >  > >  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > >I didn't get any postings by either "heridotus" or "Ford yesterday.
>  > >  > >  > > I  haven't seen anything from either in quite some while. Am I
>  > >  > >  > > missing something?
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > > Kit Craine
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Chasuk wrote:
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:31, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>  > >  > >  > >>
>  > >  > >  > >>> There  were about 5 listed in posts yesterday by Gary  and someone
>  > >  > >  > >>> else. Two of them were Heridotus and Ford.
>  > >  > >  > >>
>  > >  > >  > >> Ah.  I would consider J.Ford more a harmless crank than a real
>  > >  > >  > >> "left-winger."  The others I am unfamiliar with.
>  > >  > >  > >>
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