[Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood Fundraising

[Jeff Harkins]

I am not suggesting that Palin believes abortion is murder - I have 
not heard her make that statement.

I have heard her state that she is pro-life.

At 11:45 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote:
>Are you trying to tell me that Palin believes that abortion is 
>murder but that, if she were VP, she
>would not do everything in her power to overturn Roe v. Wade? And 
>when, in her political career
>to date, did she have this opportunity, as you also suggest below?

Read my response to your earlier post - you may not have seen it 
before you made the post below.

>And not causing an incident and failing to stop it are too different 
>things. I'm not condemning you
>because you had something to do with the guy with the bigot sign. 
>I'm condemning you because
>you were the treasurer of a person who benefited from the sign and 
>you did not try to stop it it
>because it served you well at the time. And I'm pointing out that 
>your soap box gestures at this
>time should not be taken seriously since you apparently only 
>complain about political rhetoric
>when it does not serve your own political purposes.
>
>Say what you want against me but I was no one's treasurer. And I 
>apologized for my indiscretion.
>I'm only asking that you acknowledge yours.

I don't know what indiscretion you are referring to.

>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > You are not even on the field of play.
> >
> > No one is having their choices denied with respect to pro-life, pro
> > abortion.  Someone as smart as you should realize that.  You are
> > making a straw man argument - Roe vs Wade is the rule of law here.
> >
> > The question is, would Gov. Palin attempt to overturn Roe vs.
> > Wade?  There seems to be no evidence that she would indeed attempt that.
> >
> > She has had ample opportunity in her political career to launch such
> > a campaign.  And I am not aware of evidence to suggest that she
> > has.  But, she is entitled to her values - just as you are.
> >
> > What does seem to be happening is that pro-choicers aren't satisfied
> > with the current status of the law - they seem intent on making those
> > with a different paradigm succumb to their view.  The Palin donation
> > scam is a tasteless tactic - not intended to do anything but hurt 
> Gov. Palin.
> >
> > You do have a selective memory.  I did post my feelings about that
> > incident, but I had nothing to do with that incident.  Frankly, I was
> > a treasurer for a campaign and what I remember most vividly is all
> > the name calling and threats of violence coming from your end of
> > things - liar, punch noses, etc.
> >
> > At 08:41 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote:
> > >You are way off base, Jeff.
> > >
> > >To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor
> > >Sarah is irony. Everyone knows
> > >her views on the topic. There is no intent here to misrepresent
> > >those views. To suggest otherwise
> > >is like saying a report that your previous comment was REAL
> > >intelligent (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
> > >is to issue you a compliment. It isn't. It is sarcasm, meaning the
> > >opposite of what is literally said.
> > >
> > >One might want to say the strategy is rude since it is in-your-face
> > >but there is nothing more
> > >in-your-face than depriving someone of the right to make one's own
> > >choice about such a complex
> > >issue. It is just another instance of demanding a level of civility
> > >in politics that Palin and the rest
> > >of the radical right are unwilling to deliver to their opponents.
> > >For someone who led a recent
> > >campaign that benefited from the fact that a man held a sign
> > >downtown calling your opponents
> > >"bigots," you have a lot of nerve complaining about this. I don't
> > >remember you saying a thing then.
> > >
> > >And no I won't ever forget that incident, or your involvement with it.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Joe Campbell
> > >
> > >---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > Chasuk,
> > > >
> > > > I use an older dictionary - probably because I am older.
> > > >
> > > > Defame - to attack or injure the reputation or honor of by false and
> > > > malicious statements; malign, slander or libel.
> > > > [Webster's New World, 3rd College Edition, 1988]
> > > >
> > > > To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah
> > > > Palin is a false and malicious statement.  The intent is to malign
> > > > the Vice Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin.
> > > >
> > > > It is interesting that we agree on the vendetta against Christ
> > > > Church, e.g., counterproductive and hypocritical.
> > > >
> > > > At 08:45 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 19:54, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > An obvious attack on Gov. Palin's character and her values.  Read
> > > > > carefully,
> > > > > > you could spare a lot of energy.
> > > > >
> > > > >I do read carefully, but I also know what "defame" means,  when it it
> > > > >apparent that you don't.
> > > > >
> > > > >  > Tell you what - let's start a campaign, in
> > > > >  your name, to provide donations to Christ Church.  Are you in?
> > > > >
> > > > >Certainly.  I would be honored.  I'm not a member of the
> > > > >I-hate-Doug-tribe.  The beliefs and practices of Kirkers are no more
> > > > >alarming than the beliefs or practices of numerous Roman Catholics or
> > > > >Mormons in Moscow, so I consider the entire vendetta counterproductive
> > > > >and hypocritical.
> > > >
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