[Vision2020] Intoleristas

Tue Nov 25 17:49:18 PST 2008

>* You are describing the law as you wish it to be.  That's not the law as
it
> has been decided by people with the authority to make those decisions. *

Great - so that means it is absolutely unequivocally right and correct?!?!?
I certainly will not argue the point that it has been decided by such
authoritarians with you.  However these individuals, being people, make bad
decisions all the time.  This is one of those instances in which I think
other people need to make noise to effect change of the laws based on these
(in my opinion) bad decisions.

*> Go ahead and hire someone who will only parrot what you want to hear*

Funny, but I assumed one generally want to hire someone who would hopefully
"parrot" the legal position you wished to take.  Or at the very least,
someone who will consider your "wishes" and give counsel with that in mind.
We may arrive at the position where I would be convinced my case has no
merit, but at least alternatives would be considered.  Is this not the route
by which legal precedents are established?

Yes, I may "wish" a law to be one way or another.  Many many others may
"wish" the same thing.  I get the feeling you seem to think that it is
totally inappropriate to use the legal system to present a set of principles
that may change the interpretation of the law as it stands.  I hope I am
terrible wrong in that assumption.

GS

>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:18:16 -0800
>> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Intoleristas
>>
>> I will submit that your definition of what is applicable or not is
>> pretty narrow and inflexible (not to mention plain wrong in my humble
>> opinion). Let's hope I don't get in some kind of legal jam and need
>> you as an attorney to argue Constitutional law to the judge on my
>> behalf.
>>
>> GS
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > No, Glenns, this just means that your 'interpretation' is different
from
>> > that which is applicable.
>> >
>> > Sunil
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:50:49 -0800
>> >> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Intoleristas
>> >>
>> >> Tem Moffett refers to "a basic US Constitutional principle, the
>> >> separation of church and state." Hmmm . . . I wasn't aware this was
>> >> a basic US Constitutional principle. This idea is nothing more than
>> >> complete metaphorical misrepresentation of the basic premise of the
>> >> establishment clause, "Congress shall make no law respecting an
>> >> establishment of religion. . ."
>> >>
>> >> This has become a major distortion thanks to the "interpretation" of
>> >> laws (and in many instance the out and out making of laws) by the
>> >> liberal side of the Supreme Court. The establishment clause was
>> >> designed to prevent the establishment of a "state religion", not
>> >> Christian Theism. As a result of the Supreme Court's work, we are
>> >> witnessing the gradual obliteration of Christian Theism and the
>> >> establishment of laws promoting humanism as a "state religion".
>> >>
>> >> Is this not exactly what the establishment clause in our constitution
>> >> was intended to prevent? The Constitution is now allowing the
>> >> government to force "nonconformists" to accept and live by "humanism".
>> >> A definite turnabout of the true nature of our First Amendment
>> >> rights.
>> >>
>> >> GS
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Paul wrote:
>> >> >> I thought Doug and Dale had
>> >> >> libertarian tendencies. I would have thought they would be as much
>> >> >> against gaming the system as I am, because it props up those who
are
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> definition unworthy of being at the top.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > This could spark a long debate and likely one that has been played
>> >> > out
>> >> > time
>> >> > and again on the viz as well as both Dale's and Doug's sites
>> >> > especially
>> >> > on
>> >> > the topic of 501c3 non-profits and downtown parking where Doug
claims
>> >> > 'religious persecution by Interolistas' if anyone delves into the
>> >> > validity
>> >> > of these entities - specifically that they are not operating in
>> >> > manner
>> >> > that
>> >> > is 'gaming the system'.
>> >> >
>> >> > Doug and Dale do have libertarian leanings and want less to no
>> >> > government
>> >> > except for the most personal of personal issues (abortion, birth
>> >> > control,
>> >> > premarital sex, homosexuality, etc.) where they want a police state
>> >> > to
>> >> > intervene and prevent whatever they deem as 'sinful'.
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW, I consider you a middle of the roader like me who is probably
>> >> > just
>> >> > as
>> >> > critical of the extreme left as you are of the extreme right. Your
>> >> > writings
>> >> > typically make logical sense to me.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Scott
>> >> >
>> >> >
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