[Vision2020] "unpleasant death as a result of disease or illness". and other discriminatory statements against the elderly and disabled

[Glenn Schwaller]

Donovan - Well I don't think I will take your advice quite yet, since
I'm in great health (as far as I know) and not facing any prolonged
terminal, painful disease or illness.  But be very sure that if
tomorrow I find out I have 6 months to live and the last 4 will be in
pain and suffering, I'll be on the first bus to Oregon, lawyer in tow.

This really has nothing to do with age per se.  Granted many of those
suffering from incurable illness and pain are elderly, and many of
them would like the opportunity to say "Hey I've had a great ride and
I'm ready to get off."  That being the case, who are we to say "Nope -
suffer and enjoy your old age you ingrate!"

I think if someone 20, 30, 40, whatever is facing an unpleasant demise
from illness, they should have such a choice as well.  Many elderly
people enjoy their later years, and I applaud them for that.  I hope I
am one of them.  I also hope that if my quality of life is so very
compromised that it will not allow me to do so, I have the right go to
a much more pleasant place.

GS

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, if you feel this way you might as well knock yourself off now because
> it is inevitable if it isn't happening already.
>
> Older age is a part of life. It should be cherished, not frowned upon. There
> are so many elderly in this world that feel terrible about themselves
> because people say they would rather be dead than old or in pain.
>
> Stop for a moment, and ask yourself how you would feel if you heard people
> and society say they would rather be dead, or they would kill themselves, if
> they had to live the way you do? Your self esteem and sense of value and
> purpose would be smashed, as you are doing to others with such a negative,
> and might I say false, perspective of later years in life.
>
> There is purpose and meaning and all life, and at all stages of people's
> lives. People suffer at all ages of life. Focusing on the age is
> discrimination. We should be focusing on ending the suffering in the life,
> not end the life for the suffering.
>
> I just want to smack people that assign the elderly and disabled, the label
> of "life not worth living", because you couldn't be more wrong. IMHO, I
> would rather end the lives of the selfish and  vein that cause the suffering
> rather than the elderly and disabled.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rights, Guns, Abortion, Speech, and Death
> To: vpschwaller at gmail.com, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 12:33 PM
>
> Oh good Lord, it's the seventh sign. Lions and lambs next up.
>
> Sunil
>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:24:04 -0800
>> From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rights, Guns, Abortion, Speech, and Death
>>
>> Absolutely!!
>>
>> GS
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> > GS stated:
>> >
>> > "As you say 'were I terminally ill and faced with nothing but a short
>> > life of pain, I'd like to have a choice'. I think this is indeed a
>> > personal choice based upon the careful consideration of others who
>> > will be impacted by this decision."
>> >
>> > Then, GS, we are in agreement. President Bush, the courts, and congress
>> > had absolutely NO right in intervening in the matter concerning Terry
>> > Schiavo of Florida where Terry Schiavo and her husband had earlier
>> > agreed
>> > no to prolong life if life amounted to no more than (as you say)
>> > an "unpleasant death as a result of disease or illness".
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo
>> >
>> > Tom "Pro-Choice" Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> >
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