[Vision2020] Joe-the-Plumber is Really a Tax Cheat (was RE: Joe the Plummer admits that he would not be taxed by Obama)

[No Weatherman]

Ms. Lund:

This is another instance of you claiming 1 + 7 = 326.

The article you cited did not say that Joe the Plumber had cheated on
his taxes. It said that he owed back taxes.

In case you don't know, cheating on taxes is illegal.

Owing back taxes is not illegal and is very common.

This fact didn't stop you, however, from making the extraordinary
claim that he is a "dishonest tax cheat."

Me, I see his back taxes as one more reason why he would be concerned
about Obama's redistribution plan.

He's already in the hole to the state and Obama's proposing taking
more of his hard earned wages to redistribute it to the crackheads and
ACORN queens.

Btw, now that they lowered the cap to $125,000, have they gotten
closer to your annual income?


On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Stop the stampede of those running to switch careers in the hopes of become
> rich plumbers!!!
>
> Poor Joe-the-Plumber (aka Samuel J. Wurzelbacher) . . . in addition to not
> having a plumber's license and the small business he's "interested" in
> buying not earning anywhere near the $250,000 implied, it turns out he owes
> state back taxes going back at least as far as 2006 and was uberly less than
> honest about his personal & business income scenario.
>
> Leave it to the GOP to try to make an American hero out of a dishonest tax
> cheat . . .
>
> Personally, I think the McCain/Cheney . . . I mean McCain/Rove . . . oops --
> scratch that . . . the McCain/Palin campaign owes it to the poor schmuck to
> pay off his delinquent personal income tax debt for the mileage they've
> gotten out of him  :-)  Does anyone know if that would be a legitimate
> campaign expenditure?
>
> For a more entertaining  and in-depth presentation, check out:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ruXEh8S12E
>
> For those who prefer words to video, here's the story:
> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80
>
> Is 'Joe the Plumber' a plumber? That's debatable
> By JOHN SEEWER - 1 hour ago
>
> HOLLAND, Ohio (AP) - Joe the Plumber's story sprang a few leaks Thursday.
> Turns out that the man who was held up by John McCain as the typical,
> hard-working American taxpayer isn't really a licensed plumber. And court
> documents show he owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes.
>
> "Joe," whose name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, was cited repeatedly in
> Wednesday night's final presidential debate by McCain for questioning Barack
> Obama's tax policy.
>
> Wurzelbacher instantly became a media celebrity, fielding calls during the
> debate and facing reporters outside his home near Toledo on Thursday morning
> for an impromptu nationally televised news conference.
>
> The burly, bald man acknowledged he doesn't have a plumber's license, but
> said he didn't need one because he works for someone else at a company that
> does residential work.
>
> But Wurzelbacher still would need to be a licensed apprentice or journeyman
> to work in Toledo, and he's not, said David Golis, manager and residential
> building official for the Toledo Division of Building Inspection.
>
> State and local records show Wurzelbacher has no license, although his
> employer does. Golis said there are no records of inspectors citing
> Wurzelbacher for unlicensed work in Toledo.
>
> And then there was the matter of his taxes.
>
> Wurzelbacher owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax,
> according to Lucas County Court of Common Pleas records.
>
> In January 2007, Ohio's Department of Taxation filed a claim on his property
> until he pays the debt, according to the records. The lien remains active.
>
> At the debate, McCain cited Wurzelbacher as an example of someone who wants
> to buy a plumbing business but would be hurt by Obama's tax plans.
>
> Wurzelbacher, a self-described conservative, had spoken to Obama at a rally
> Sunday near his home and asked him whether his tax plan would keep him from
> buying the business that currently employs him, which earns more than
> $250,000 a year.
>
> "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Wurzelbacher asked.
>
> Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on
> down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject
> to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate.
>
> McCain said Obama's plan would stop entrepreneurs such as Wurzelbacher from
> investing in new small businesses and keep existing ones from growing.
>
> The McCain campaign posted a Web ad featuring the exchange between
> Wurzelbacher and Obama.
>
> During an afternoon taping of "Late Show with David Letterman," McCain said
> he had not yet spoken to Wurzelbacher, and apologized for the press
> attention he had received.
>
> "Joe, if you're watching, I'm sorry," McCain said.
>
> Wurzelbacher had to deal with a clog of two dozen reporters outside his home
> on a narrow street lined with ranch- and split-level homes Thursday morning.
> No detail about the divorced father of a 13-year-old boy was too small: Was
> he a registered voter? Did he have a plumbing license? Whom will he vote
> for?
>
> Leaning against his black Dodge Durango SUV, Wurzelbacher at first was
> amused by it all, then overwhelmed and finally a little annoyed.
>
> "I don't have a lot of pull. It's not like I'm Matt Damon," he said "I just
> hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself."
>
> He indicated he was a fan of the military and McCain but wouldn't say who
> will get his vote. He is registered as a Republican, the county elections
> board said, because he voted in the GOP primary in March.
>
> Wurzelbacher said a McCain campaign official contacted him several days
> before the debate to ask him to appear with the candidate at a Toledo rally
> scheduled for Sunday.
>
> He told reporters he's unsure if he'll attend, since he's now scheduled to
> be in New York for TV interviews.
>
> On Thursday in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain was misleading voters by
> proposing tax plans that favor the rich while criticizing an Obama tax plan
> that would raise taxes only on people making more than $250,000 a year, just
> 5 percent of all taxpayers.
>
> "He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for," Obama
> said. "How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars
> a year?"
>
> Wurzelbacher said he felt a bit overwhelmed by all the attention.
>
> "I'm kind of like Britney Spears having a headache. Everybody wants to know
> about it," he joked.
>
> Associated Press writer Sharon Theimer in Washington contributed to this
> report.
>
> (This version CORRECTS name of Letterman's program to Late Show, sted Late
> Night.)
> __________
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of nickgier at roadrunner.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:52 AM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Joe the Plummer admits that he would not be taxed by
> Obama
>
> Greetings:
>
> Joe the Plummer also does not have a plummer's license, and he has not
> decided whom to vote for.  McCain should have checked out his story before
> embarrassing the poor guy on national television.
>
> Nick Gier
>
> Joe Plumber's Tap Dance
> The New Republic, 10/16/08
>
> It's pretty ridiculous that somebody who earns more than 99% of Americans
> should become a stand-in for the average working man. The picture becomes a
> little more clear in this interview with Katie Couric, in which Joe the
> Plumber admits he doesn't actually earn $250,000 a year:
>
> COURIC: Well, he supposedly will raise taxes only on people who make over
> $250,000 a year. Would you be in that category?
>
> WURZELBACHER: Not right now at presently, but, you know, question, so he's
> going to do that now for people who make $250,000 a year. When's he going to
> decide that $100,000 is too much, you know? I mean, you're on a slippery
> slope here. You vote on somebody who decides that $250,000 and you're rich?
> And $100,000 and you're rich? I mean, where does it end? You know, that's -
> people got to ask that question.
>
> In the same interview, he says that Barack Obama did a "tap dance... almost
> as good as Sammy Davis Junior." But Joe the Plumber is the one who lied
> about the central premise of his question to Obama. So the whole premise
> that made Joe the Plumber the icon of the debate turns out to be made up. I
> don't think reporters should start investigating the details of his life or
> anything. But if he's going to freely admit that he just made up the one
> fact that gave his story any political salience, then that's pretty
> relevant.
>
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