[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2

Sat Nov 1 10:53:34 PDT 2008

No man,  GROW UP and get your mind out of the gutter.  Have you ever heard "who smelt it dealt it"?  Any idiot can see that the rubber doll posting is a non-issue but your continued harping on it as something dirty says something about your own dirty mind, not Tom's, it's a joke like fuzzy handcuffs or elephant trunk and pinochio nose briefs.  We all know that Hansen is a community minded person who strives to share knowledge, and lots of humor, with those in his community.   Since we don't know you, your take on human decency is subject to question by default. 

You're like the PMRC where the ultra-religious hear subliminal messages about the devil in metal songs written about recovery or something.

Don> From: vision2020-request at moscow.com> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:13:19 -0700> > Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to> vision2020 at moscow.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> vision2020-request at moscow.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> vision2020-owner at moscow.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment in the World> According to Palin (No Weatherman)> 2. Re: John McCain not Born in US, But Panama (No Weatherman)> 3. An Urgent Communiqu? From The No Weatherman: McCain up by one> (No Weatherman)> 4. Re: Weathermen (Tom Hansen)> 5. Re: Weathermen (No Weatherman)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:03:29 -0400> From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment> in the World According to Palin> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID:> <28a621640811010503p7bdc6663g7f3560bfc408d065 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > It's the new trend in politics to license politically correct speech> and censure its antithesis.> > The trend has been there for 20 years but now the msm is leading the> way in the criticism.> > Instead of acting like the fourth branch of our government, the msm is> acting like a fifth column.> > > On 11/1/08, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Criticizing someone's public statements threatens their rights?> >> > Do what you can to keep this person out of the most powerful position in> > the most powerful nation on earth. Please.> >> >> > Paul> >> >> > Saundra Lund wrote:> > > <groan>> > >> > > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html> > >> > > Palin Fears Media Threaten Her First Amendment Rights> > > October 31, 2008 11:25 AM> > >> > > ABC News' Steven Portnoy reports: In a conservative radio interview that> > > aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential> > > nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be> > > threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a> > > negative campaign against Barack Obama.> > >> > > Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those> > > with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be> > > considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest> > > that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a> > > candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.> > >> > > "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning,> > > for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris> > > Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms> > > of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of> > > attacks by the mainstream media."> > >> > > However she feels about the way her story has been told in the press, Palin> > > told WMAL she is not discouraged.> > >> > > "It's sort of perplexing to me, because I'm a practical person and> > > plainspoken also, but just cutting to the chase and calling things like I> > > see them, just like most Americans. But this has not left a bitter taste in> > > my mouth, the bitter shots taken by the mainstream media and by some of the> > > elitism there in Washington," Palin said.> > >> > > "What this has left me with is a very energized and positive feeling about> > > America, because there are enough Americans who are desiring the positive> > > change that John McCain's gonna usher in."> > >> > > Plante then suggested that in her next sit-down interview, Palin should tap> > > the reporter on the knee and ask, "So who you votin' for?"> > >> > > Palin laughed and said, "Yeah, maybe that just would say it all."> > >> > > "I'm gonna try that," she said.> > >> > > =======================================================> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > > http://www.fsr.net> > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > > =======================================================> > >> > >> >> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:07:46 -0400> From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID:> <28a621640811010507l4c85f642t5b305caca5eb5f98 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Donavan:> > Can someone lose their NBC status if another country that does not> allow dual citizenship (eg, Indonesia) naturalizes them?> > If so, that person may certainly reapply for citizenship in the US,> but would such citizenship restore their "natural born citizenship"?> > PS: If you think that McCain is not eligible to hold the office of> POTUS, then you are free to challenge him in court.> > > On 11/1/08, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:> >> >> > Ellen,> >> > As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen of the United States if they were;> >> > A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.> >> > B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth but born on foreign soil.> >> > A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone who became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or Vice-President.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com> > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM> >> >> > I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I get a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born in the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I registered her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that question.> >> > Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich> >> > P.S. Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get out to vote.> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700> > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com> > Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >> >> >> > John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments against Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.> >> > McCain was born in Panama.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > ________________________________> You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. See> how ======================================================= List> services made available by First Step Internet, serving the> communities of the Palouse since 1994.> http://www.fsr.net> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> >> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:10:44 -0400> From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> Subject: [Vision2020] An Urgent Communiqu? >From The No Weatherman:> McCain up by one> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID:> <28a621640811010510x445c2b19q55746914371e6d6d at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252> > Released: 11-01-2008> Next Release: 11-02-08, 1:00AM> > UTICA, New York ? Republican John McCain made a small gain against> Democrat Barack Obama and has pulled back within the margin of error,> now trailing Obama by five points, 49.1% to 44.1%, the latest> Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone poll shows.> > Almost two days worth of the polling ? or about half of the current> sample in the three-day rolling poll of likely voters nationwide, was> conducted after Obama's 30-minute commercial aired Wednesday evening.> There is no evidence it helped him, as he has dropped 1.1 points in> the last two days, while McCain has gained 0.8 points during the same> period.> > Pollster John Zogby: "Is McCain making a move? The three-day average> holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is> beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading> among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors> and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the> Plumber may get his license after all. "Obama's lead among women> declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is> solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we> saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day> tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we> could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now,> hold on."> http://www.zogby.com/main.htm> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:39:26 GMT> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Weathermen> To: <no.weatherman at gmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID: <200811011239.mA1CdQcH010063 at mail-gw.fsr.net>> > FYI, N-'man -> > I googled "Palin Toys".> > End.> > Tom Hansen> Moscow, Idaho> > > Mr. Hansen:> > > > When you post links to rubber dolls, most normal people automatically> > conclude that you surf rubber doll sites.> > > > Am I wrong?> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:> > > Not that anybody gives a rat what I think, but . . .> > >> > > As long as I have been a subscriber to Vision 2020 (several years), I > do> > > not recall Joe Campbell EVER (not even once in jest) posting under a > name> > > other than "Joe Campbell".> > >> > > You may disagree with what Joe has to say (I have on a few occasions), > but> > > Joe has always been a what-you-see-is-what-you-get kinda guy, all under> > > one name and one name ONLY . . . Joe Campbell. And I respect him very> > > much for that. He doesn't hide from anybody or anything.> > >> > > REAL men and REAL women don't hide.> > >> > > The type of moron that posts under a false name would cowar from > his/her> > > own shadow.> > >> > > I realize that this posting will result in further name-calling, and > maybe> > > even some commentary referring to its imagined fantasy of my sexuality.> > >> > > So be it. Eventually it will crawl back under its rock and we adults > can> > > resume our discussions.> > >> > > As the saying goes . . .> > >> > > Even this shall come to pass.> > >> > > Tom Hansen> > > Moscow, Idaho> > >> > >> A few things before I go back to my life off Vision 2020.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> First, I am not Gabe Storm. I'm not quite sure why No Weatherman hates> > >> me so much, why he likes spreading lies about me, but there doesn't > seem> > >> to be much I can do about that. Remember he first entered the scene > when> > >> he hounded me and it is interesting that he's doing the same thing to> > >> everyone else, which is why I'm not the only leaving the V.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Second, I apologize for saying that I thought that No Weatherman was a> > >> Kirk, since it seems pretty clear to me now that he's not. I was wrong> > >> to make this assertion. Say what you want about them but I don't know > of> > >> many Kirk's who are willing to throw their wives "under the bus." I> > >> think, in fact, it is pretty clear that No Weatherman and Gabe Storm > are> > >> the same person, and that he is just gearing up for his post-election> > >> life where, instead of hearing rumors and insults about Obama, we're> > >> going to be hearing rumors and insults about the Kirk.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I had an unfortunate correspondence with a young troll a few years > back,> > >> which started with an unpleasant exchange about capital punishment and> > >> moved to some off-line threats from young troll toward me. I accused > him> > >> of being a Kirk and he got very offended. All I know about him is that> > >> he is young and his folks go to, or went to the Unitarian church. Not> > >> much to go on but if this rings a bell, please contact me off-list.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Also, since I fear a long winter with more crazy talk from Gabe Storm,> > >> followed by accusations that he and I are one and the same, I'm trying> > >> to prepare. Does anyone know if this kind of stuff constitutes> > >> defamation, if I have any legal recourse, and if I do, does anyone > know> > >> of a good lawyer whom I might contact for advice? I'm going to try to> > >> contact some folks at WSU, since it seems that any defamation against > me> > >> is bad for them, as well. Perhaps I can find some assistance there. > But> > >> my guess is that nothing can be done. I'd love for someone to prove me> > >> wrong!> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I worry about the V. Of course, I've been unable to post without one> > >> pest or another for about two years now, but it seems that since its> > >> worked so well against me, various forces have decided to try it on> > >> everyone else. I lament what seems to me to be the loss of free speech> > >> in Moscow.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Best, Joe> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------> > > This message was sent by First Step Internet.> > > http://www.fsr.com/> > >> > >> > > =======================================================> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > > http://www.fsr.net> > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > > =======================================================> > >> > > > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet, > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > > http://www.fsr.net > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> > > > > "Jesus was a community organizer and Poncius Pilate was a governor."> > - Marilyn Trail, sister of Representative Tom trail (September 8, 2008)> > ----> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)> > > ---------------------------------------------> This message was sent by First Step Internet.> http://www.fsr.com/> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:13:17 -0700> From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Weathermen> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID:> <28a621640811010613n1e25f64eha7597649403df08f at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Mr. Hansen:> > For the record, I really don't believe you because you wouldn't have> to posted a link to an adult site unless you felt comfortable in that> environment.> > I said you lack decency and common sense and you have done nothing to> change my mind.> > If you don't want people (eg, me) to think that you don't tinker with> rubber dolls, then you shouldn't post links to rubber doll sites.> > It's a simple matter of decency.> > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:> > FYI, N-'man -> >> > I googled "Palin Toys".> >> > End.> >> > Tom Hansen> > Moscow, Idaho> >> >> Mr. Hansen:> >>> >> When you post links to rubber dolls, most normal people automatically> >> conclude that you surf rubber doll sites.> >>> >> Am I wrong?> >>> >>> >>> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:> >> > Not that anybody gives a rat what I think, but . . .> >> >> >> > As long as I have been a subscriber to Vision 2020 (several years), I> > do> >> > not recall Joe Campbell EVER (not even once in jest) posting under a> > name> >> > other than "Joe Campbell".> >> >> >> > You may disagree with what Joe has to say (I have on a few occasions),> > but> >> > Joe has always been a what-you-see-is-what-you-get kinda guy, all under> >> > one name and one name ONLY . . . Joe Campbell. And I respect him very> >> > much for that. He doesn't hide from anybody or anything.> >> >> >> > REAL men and REAL women don't hide.> >> >> >> > The type of moron that posts under a false name would cowar from> > his/her> >> > own shadow.> >> >> >> > I realize that this posting will result in further name-calling, and> > maybe> >> > even some commentary referring to its imagined fantasy of my sexuality.> >> >> >> > So be it. Eventually it will crawl back under its rock and we adults> > can> >> > resume our discussions.> >> >> >> > As the saying goes . . .> >> >> >> > Even this shall come to pass.> >> >> >> > Tom Hansen> >> > Moscow, Idaho> >> >> >> >> A few things before I go back to my life off Vision 2020.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> First, I am not Gabe Storm. I'm not quite sure why No Weatherman hates> >> >> me so much, why he likes spreading lies about me, but there doesn't> > seem> >> >> to be much I can do about that. Remember he first entered the scene> > when> >> >> he hounded me and it is interesting that he's doing the same thing to> >> >> everyone else, which is why I'm not the only leaving the V.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Second, I apologize for saying that I thought that No Weatherman was a> >> >> Kirk, since it seems pretty clear to me now that he's not. I was wrong> >> >> to make this assertion. Say what you want about them but I don't know> > of> >> >> many Kirk's who are willing to throw their wives "under the bus." I> >> >> think, in fact, it is pretty clear that No Weatherman and Gabe Storm> > are> >> >> the same person, and that he is just gearing up for his post-election> >> >> life where, instead of hearing rumors and insults about Obama, we're> >> >> going to be hearing rumors and insults about the Kirk.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> I had an unfortunate correspondence with a young troll a few years> > back,> >> >> which started with an unpleasant exchange about capital punishment and> >> >> moved to some off-line threats from young troll toward me. I accused> > him> >> >> of being a Kirk and he got very offended. All I know about him is that> >> >> he is young and his folks go to, or went to the Unitarian church. Not> >> >> much to go on but if this rings a bell, please contact me off-list.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Also, since I fear a long winter with more crazy talk from Gabe Storm,> >> >> followed by accusations that he and I are one and the same, I'm trying> >> >> to prepare. Does anyone know if this kind of stuff constitutes> >> >> defamation, if I have any legal recourse, and if I do, does anyone> > know> >> >> of a good lawyer whom I might contact for advice? I'm going to try to> >> >> contact some folks at WSU, since it seems that any defamation against> > me> >> >> is bad for them, as well. Perhaps I can find some assistance there.> > But> >> >> my guess is that nothing can be done. I'd love for someone to prove me> >> >> wrong!> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> I worry about the V. Of course, I've been unable to post without one> >> >> pest or another for about two years now, but it seems that since its> >> >> worked so well against me, various forces have decided to try it on> >> >> everyone else. I lament what seems to me to be the loss of free speech> >> >> in Moscow.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Best, Joe> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------> >> > This message was sent by First Step Internet.> >> > http://www.fsr.com/> >> >> >> >> >> > =======================================================> >> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> >> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >> > http://www.fsr.net> >> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> >> > =======================================================> >> >> >>> >> =======================================================> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >> http://www.fsr.net> >> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> >> =======================================================> >>> >> >> > "Jesus was a community organizer and Poncius Pilate was a governor."> >> > - Marilyn Trail, sister of Representative Tom trail (September 8, 2008)> >> > ----> >> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college> > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."> >> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------> > This message was sent by First Step Internet.> > http://www.fsr.com/> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------> > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2> *****************************************
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