[Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15

Fri May 16 21:58:06 PDT 2008

Donovan writes: "Because having the same IP address demonstrates that it is 
coming from the same computer."

Wrong. Otherwise, how could you tell when Tom is posting from work, as 
opposed to home? Makes one wonder where you got that information!?!

Even if it were true, how does it disprove anything I've said?

Still avoiding the tough questions, too.

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Joe Campbell

---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

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Joe,

  It does matter. Because having the same IP address demonstrates that it is coming from the same computer. Ruling out a lot your conspiracy theories that multiple people are sending out from my same account.

  So, there is no practical way several people are on this end of my account. 

  Your only evidence is that I do not like to use contractions, and some of my emails have contractions. Your theories are getting more and more impractical and radical.

  Best Regards,

  Donovan 

Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
  Did I deny that they were coming from the same IP address? No.

Does it matter. No.

You said you never USE contractions before. So this is a different story.

I meant to address this to Roger, but that was my mistake. Sorry!

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Joe Campbell

---- Donovan Arnold wrote: 

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Joe,

I communicate differently depending on my mood, situation, time, who I am talking to, level of fatigue, and just how well my brain is working at the moment.

Sorry I don't always write the same way, but I think everyone has better and worse days in the way they communicate.

I believe, Paul, already demonstrated to you, the best way possible, that all my correspondences are coming from the same IP address. And I really don't think he has any reason to lie, and his facts can easily be checked., unless you believe that he too is tied up in Doug's basement. : D

I do not like contractions because it cheapens the language. But I do it sometimes to set a tone or because I am lazy. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

Joe Campbell wrote:
Donovan,

Did you ever say that you didn't like contractions and that you never used
them? Donovan has said that. That is what makes the recent use odd.

If you compare the letters of yesterday, several stylistic variations should
strike you as odd. Sometimes 'Catholic,' etc. is in caps, sometimes not. Some
times contractions, sometimes 'Donovan' went out of the way to avoid them.

I have already noted that this doesn't PROVE anything. It is just very odd.

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Joe Campbell

---- lfalen wrote: 

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What does this prove? I am not constant on the use of contractions either.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:27:46 -0700
To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15

> Do you think that gays deserve the death penalty?
> 
> Don't you think that this is a sick and crazy view?
> 
> Don't you think that someone who believes this is a sick individual?
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- Donovan Arnold wrote: 
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> Joe,
> 
> Stay away from the Kool-Aid. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Donovan
> 
> Joe Campbell wrote:
> Notice the lengthy pause after a day of rapid fire responses.
> 
> They're trying to figure out what to say. Will it be:
> 
> a. "Joe [the logician] is illogical." 
> 
> b. "Joe's been eating backed goods."
> 
> c. "I suppose Joe wants to punch me in the nose now."
> 
> d. "We don't have to believe you since you, Joe, are not a Christian. 
> At least not in my [narrow] book"
> 
> Or:
> 
> e. "Look, I already told you that I sin every day!"
> 
> Please cast your votes!
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- Tom Hansen wrote: 
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> No problem, Joe. As they say in New York . . . Fuhgeddaboutit. I have. Besides, you have very nicely "outed" the Arnold-wannabe. Still the question remains: Who is playing Arnold today? Tom
> 
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:36:51 -0700> From: joekc at adelphia.net> To: joekc at adelphia.net> CC: idahotom at hotmail.com; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > I hope it is clear that I intended this as a joke! This is Aristotle's > understanding of "syllogism" but most folks (outside of logicians) in the > modern world take "syllogism" to mean "argument." Given standard > contemporary usage, Tom was correct!> > --> Joe Campbell> > ---- Joe Campbell wrote: > > =============> Sorry, Tom.> > A syllogism is a two-premise argument. The argument below has only one > premise, so it is not a syllogism.> > That concludes today's logic lesson!> > --> Joe Campbell> > ---- Tom Hansen wrote: > > =============> Exactly, Andreas.> > Analogous to Arnold's (aka Doudalchri Wilcourwit) logic is the following syllogism> > One guaranteed way to reduce the number of criminals to ABSOLUTE ZERO is to eliminate ALL laws.>
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> No laws. No crimes.> No crimes. No criminals.> > Result: A total crime-free society. Just don't go outside.> > Seeya round town, Moscow.> > Tom Hansen> Moscow, Idaho> > > > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:38 -0700> From: ophite at gmail.com> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> CC: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Donovan --> > Wait. You're saying that discrimination exists because we refuse to ignore it?> > Sure. Okay.> > -- ACS> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Donovan Arnold> wrote:> > Mo,> >> > I agree that discrimination still exists. But I think the reason why the US,> > unlike other western nations, has not moved past these hang ups is precisely> > because of the tactics used to try and end it.> >> > When we tell people they are wrong or should feel guilty because they are> > White, heterosexual, christian, non-disabled, male, etc, you quickly turn> > off the majority of people you are trying to convert.> >> > If we
> just hire, fire, include people based on merit, we would end> > discrimination quickly.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > Mo Hendrickson !> wrote:> >> > It shouldn't matter, but unfortunately in our society, racism, sexism,> > classism, religious choice, sexual orientation, gender preference,> > disability, on and on and on, are still factors in discrimination. We do> > not live in a color blind/gender blind etc society and until we do we need> > to make sure that people from under represented groups are at the table and> > part of the conversation, even if we may not agree with what they are> > saying. It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people> > for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and world.> >> > I believe that Sue's original point was that this is a community event and> > at her first glance she did not see a woman on the panel. An event that is> > trying to reach beyond faith lines should have a diverse panel.
> I am very> > glad to see that it does, and I would imagine that there is plenty of> > diversity on the panel beyond t!> he gender and race of those that are> > represented. We all should be > trying to make spaces for diversity to enter> > into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those> > categories.> >> >> > -Mo> >> > ________________________________> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:46 -0700> > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> > To: suehovey at moscow.com; mhamilto at vetmed.wsu.edu; kjajmix1 at msn.com;> > london at moscow.com; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, and> > sexual orientation? Does it matter?> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > Sue Hovey wrote:> >> > Now I really stand corrected. Thanks so much.> >> > Sue> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Hamilton, Mary Jo> > To: Sue Hovey ; keely emerinemix ; Bill London
> ; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Chris Vaughn, representing the Bahai com!> munity, is also a woman.> >> > Mary Jo> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> > On Behalf Of Sue Hovey> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM> > To: keely emerinemix; Bill London; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > OOPS. I didn't see Kayle's name. Sorry for the comment. But even so, 1 of> > 8 isn't all that representative. Trinity Baptist, where I used to> > attend has never chosen to involve itself in any local Interfaith> > efforts. The congregation perceives that kind of involvement as a dilution> > of Baptist tenets.> >> > Sue> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: keely emerinemix> > To: Sue Hovey ; Bill London ; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Tuesday, May
> 13, 2008 9:51 AM> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Kayle Rice is the female pastor of the UU . . . what saddens me, though, is> > the decision of c!> onservative Christian churches to not involve themselves in> > this.> > >> > Keely> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > From: suehovey at moscow.com> > To: london at moscow.com; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:34:04 -0700> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > It looks interesting--too bad, though, women on the Palouse must be thought> > not to have any thoughts that would be valued in this setting.> >> > Sue Hovey> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Bill London> > To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:01 PM> > Subject: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> >> > There will be a panel discussion this coming Thursday, May 15 7pm -9pm at> > the 1912 Center in Moscow> >> > Subject: Promoting Peace and
> Harmony on the Palouse/ Spritiual Approches> > from Interfaith Perspectives> >> > Not only is this an important subject, it is the first interfaith panel we> > have had in a long time - and I hope you will come to learn and to support> > this effort. C!> ome and bring your friends.> >> > Speakers: Rev. Kayle Rice, Unitarian Universalist Church of the Palouse> > (Moderator)> > Sayed Daoud, Pullman Islamic Center> > Lawrence Fox, Jewish Community of the Palouse> > Nicholas Gier, Prof Emeritus Philosophy, UI and Unitarian Church> > Walter Hesford, Prof. of English, UI and Emanuel Lutheran Church> > Ryder Stevens, US Army Chaplain, Christian Science Lecturer> > Chris Vaughn, Bahai, Community> >> > Summary by: Fr. Bill Taylor, St. Augustine Center, Moscow> >> > Questions/comments will be accepted from the floor> > Refreshments will be served> >> > Sponsored by: The Common Ministry WSU, Christian Science Society of> > Moscow-Pullman, Pullman Islamic Center, Unitarian
> Universalist Church of the> > Palouse> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.f!> sr.net> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > ============================> ===========================> >> > ________________________________> > Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. Start> > sharing.> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> >> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> >
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