[Vision2020] [Bulk] in a better world ...

Sun Jul 27 15:11:18 PDT 2008

Does he have a white cat that he pets while laughing maniacally?

Seriously, how plausible do you think that scenario is?  The worst I see 
happening is we get a few more libertarians on the city council, a few 
more stores become owned by members of the Kirk, and Trinity Fest 
doubles in size.

Keely is free to do her own blog.  I even respect her for caring about 
something enough to  blog about it.  I just think you're all going about 
this the wrong way.  You're making Doug Wilson into Dr. Evil or Ernst 
Blofeld or whatever crazy mad villain you like best.

I don't see the signs that should be worrying me here.  I don't see a 
compound where only Christ Church members can live in such a way that 
they are kept away from their families.  I don't see them stockpiling 
guns and ammo and running drills like the crazy Montanans do.  I don't 
see anybody forced to give up more than the 10% of their wages other 
religions demand of their followers.  I don't see anyone refusing 
medical help for their children, dressing funny, or protesting 
businesses.   I don't even see any crazy beliefs that aren't any crazier 
than any other Christian beliefs that stem from a too-literal 
interpretation of the Bible.

Whether or not they are misinterpreting the Bible, I have no idea.  But 
I think that most of us in Moscow are free from their evil clutches.

Besides which, as I understand it, they are actually free to believe 
whatever nonsense they're currently spouting.

Paul

Bill London wrote:
> I side with Keely on this issue.
> Doug Wilson has a political agenda.  He wants to remake Moscow and 
> this region into his own theocratic fiefdom.
> Exposing Wilson's agenda and his ideas is what will counter and 
> ultimately derail his plan.
> BL
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rumelhart" 
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> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] in a better world ...
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>> I've said it before, but I'll go ahead and say it one more time.  You're
>> giving him too much power.  The proper response, in my opinion, is to
>> just point at him and laugh when he makes a comment like that in the 
>> future.
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>> I respect what you're doing, but every blog post you make will just give
>> him credibility to those who already think he walks on water.
>>
>> Paul
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>> keely emerinemix wrote:
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>>> Visionaires,
>>>
>>> Never would I have thought that I would live in a community whose most
>>> well-known and powerful pastor, one who claims to be a Trinitarian
>>> Christian and a Bible teacher, would behave in the  hostile, hateful,
>>> and horrendous manner that Douglas Wilson of Christ Church has.
>>> During my six and a half years of living in Moscow and loving it, I
>>> have been beyond dismayed at his theology, teaching, and engagement
>>> with the community, and I've learned not to be surprised
>>> img20080726183626428at what comes from his pen or out of his mouth.
>>> But I find that he yet has the ability to shock me, owing more to his
>>> crass conduct than to my naivete, and this morning offers another 
>>> example.
>>>
>>> In a column bashing Pastor Greg Boyd's new book on the idolatry of
>>> Christians in claiming the United States as a "Christian nation," and
>>> throwing themselves into politics in an attempt to make the kingdom of
>>> God right here, right now, Wilson complains that Boyd has no basis,
>>> then, for judging anything to be wrong.  His serrated edge flashing,
>>> he says that, for example, if he told Boyd his church spent last night
>>> "lynching homos -- you shoulda been there!", Boyd couldn't reasonably
>>> object.
>>>
>>> Boyd won't, because Wilson's pontificating has, thankfully, a limited
>>> audience.  But I can, and I do.  In fact, my 15-year-old son
>>> Jimg20080726183626428onah and I both responded to Wilson on his Blog
>>> and Mablog, and while my son responded to the church/state issue, I'm
>>> as proud of him as I am embarrassed, once again, by the man who would
>>> like to be thought of as the Bishop of the Palouse.  I invite you to
>>> read my comments there.  If not, let me state in the most concrete way
>>> that I can:
>>>
>>> For a pastor to make a point, any point, by using "lynching homos" as
>>> an example, one of hyperbole and excess, is despicable, particularly
>>> given the virulent homophobia Wilson has espoused.  And for none of
>>> his readers to complain is, while predictable, most disappointing.  In
>>> a perfect world, or even a mildly better one, other Christians would
>>> howl in protest, rebuking Wilson immediately and publicly.  It ain't
>>> that kind of world, though.  And, hesitant church leadership
>>> notwithstanding, it's frankly just as sad to me that many of you don't
>>> want to comment, object, or even know -- and wish I would just shut up
>>> about the whole thing.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I can't do it.  What I can and will do, however, is begin
>>> my own very publicized, very pointed blog devoted to defending the
>>> Gospel by correcting bad theology both within the Kirk and from other
>>> sources.  I don't know what to call it yet, and I don't know how to
>>> design it, but I intend to never let up 'til the day I die . . .
>>>
>>> The stakes for our community are high, higher than most Moscow
>>> residents realize.  But the stakes are even higher for the message of
>>> peace and reconciliation, justice and love, spoken and lived by the
>>> Lord Jesus Christ and sullied by Wilson, et al.  If Christ means
>>> anything to me,  I can certainly endure the scorn of my neighbors and
>>> the mocking of the boys at the Kirk by writing against them.  I'll
>>> still write on Vision, and still write about Christ Church as relevant
>>> to the discussion, but the content of my blog will be theology, gender
>>> and peace-and-justice issues, and scathing critique of those who spew
>>> bigotry in the name of Christ.
>>>
>>> As a stay-at-home mom with a fairly useless BA from a quarter-century
>>> ago, I may be "just a housewife" to some at the Kirk -- but if I am a
>>> housewife, I am a thundering one, and I can't be silent.
>>>
>>> Keely
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