[Vision2020] Some thoughts on terrorists and torture

[Ralph Nielsen]

Andreas ---

Not quite right. The torture was done by the Church but the  
barbecuing was done by the State. The Church has always been pro-life.

-- Ralph

Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
Sat Jul 12 11:56:18 PDT 2008

Ralph --

Right.

Because even when it's a nation-state committing torture, it's still
all about how bad Christians are.

-- ACS

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at  
uidaho.edu> wrote:
 > Waterboarding is not a frat party game. It was done by the Spanish
 > Inquisition to make innocent people confess to crimes they had
 > already been found guilty of. Confession, you know, is a Christian
 > sacrament that is necessary to keep you from going to hell when you
 > die. However, the crime of heresy was so horrible that the only
 > suitable penance, another Christian sacrament, was to be barbecued
 > alive in an "auto da fe" (Act of Faith). Then your soul went to  
heaven.
 >
 > Ralph Nielsen
 >
 >
 > I believe that we all know by now that waterboarding isn't repeated
 > dunking in water -- that's a wild pool party, perhaps, or the "frat
 > boy pranks" that Limbaugh speaks of.  Waterboarding is intended to
 > bring someone to the brink of drowning while making them believe that
 > they are already.
 >
 > Civilized nations don't do that.  I'd like to believe we are one.
 >
 > Keely