[Vision2020] Contractors

[pkraut at moscow.com]

I am going to respond...not that I believe you really care but I do care 
about our young people and what they are learning.
Yes, I like the idea of 'chain gang' labor. Too many of our young people 
are left with the idea that the system will take care of them and they 
are left with no work ethic. They didn't learn it at home and they are 
not getting it from a system that is afraid of being sued by someone who 
got their feelings hurt by having to actually work. They are sent into 
the world seeking all the help with no idea how to just do it themselves. 
The bible sayes that those who won't work don't eat and I think in our 
efforts to give we forget that they need to know how to work. On the 
other hand 'if you don't have the time, don't do the crime'!


> 
> Pat, would you prefer that we "do things like that" again, somehow, if 
it
m> eans causing harm to young people?  
> You seem angry that care and concern are shown to vulnerable people, 
and I
> know you're a Christian.  How does that work in you?  I'm not trying to
sla> m you.  I'm trying to understand you.
> 
> Take care,
> Keely
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
> > From: pkraut at moscow.com
> > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:07:44 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors
> > 
> > You cannot do that to the poor darlings on probation. You'll hurt 
their 
> > feelings and we are not allowed to do things like that anymore. 
> > 
> > > In Couer d' Alene, if the walks aren't cleared by 9:00 am, and kept 
> > clear,
> > > the city will do it, and fine the property owner $100.00. If the 
fine 
> > isn't
> > > paid, it is attached as a lien on their property.
> > > 
> > > Put the kids on probation to work. It is a tangible way to know 
they 
> > have
> > > completed the job. If the snow hasn't been removed, the job isn't 
done.
> > > 
> > > I respectfully disagree with you, Matt. The buck stops with the 
owner 
> > of the
> > > property. Why should I get injured due to the neglance of a 
property 
> > owner?
> > > Taking care of the sidewalks is part of the responsibility of being 
a
> > > property owner.
> > > 
> > > Also, Matt, I appreciate your gracious offer to shovel my walks 
last 
> > week...
> > > *smile* I don't have any sidewalks, other than a short three foot
walk>  
> > to
> > > the gravel alley.
> > > 
> > > Janesta
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 1/28/08, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think going down this road can lead to a whole new can of worms.
If>  
> > we
> > > > start doing contractor work for snow, then whats next?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I can start billing the city for plowing my street.
> > > >
> > > > I believe if the people in town need help with the sidewalks, 
just 
> > ask.
> > > > Many out there will help. No need to fine people who in most 
cases 
> > can't do
> > > > it or are out of town.
> > > >
> > > > 2 cents
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:39:08 -0800
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Contractors
> > > >
> > > > I know this won't solve the issue today, but has the City or 
County 
> > ever
> > > > thought about having contractors on retainer, so that if a 
problem 
> > area
> > > > sidewalk owner/responsible party refuses to or is slow to clean 
it 
> > off, the
> > > > contractor is brought in to do the cleaning off and then the
> > > > owner/responsible party is fined for the work done?  If there 
isn't 
> > anything
> > > > like that now on the books, is there a possibility to consider it
in>  
> > the
> > > > future, like for next year?
> > > >
> > > > Comments????
> > > >
> > > > J :]
> > > >
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