[Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?

Sun Jan 13 13:37:21 PST 2008

Keely,

  I don't know what business you are taking about. As most of the Co-op's products are not locally owned and produced. And the current building was not sitting empty with no willing leasers. The Co-Op just beat out the competition for the space. 

  The comparison was not between a giant shopping center and the Co-Op. The comparison is that what is good for one local business, is generally good for all the other ones.

  If Mr. London believes it is only to the Co-Op's advantage to expand parking, public utility usage, road usage, traffic downtown, increase competition for local stores, and add more minimum and sub minimum wage jobs while trying to avoid as many taxes as possible in the process, I think he is incorrect. I think in a fair democratic society, if his business can do it, so should others. If Mr. London gets what he wants, why shouldn't other local businesses and residents of Moscow looking for jobs?

  I think the larger questions are, "Is there any business that most current Moscow residents can preform that Bill London is NOT opposed to?", and "Is Mr. London going to pummel repeatedly ever business below the belt that doesn't fit nicely into HIS future vision of Moscow?" and why are so many self proclaimed liberals so willing to destroy and divide the Moscow community socially, economically, and politically to get exactly what they want in the name of trying to do what is best for the community?" Destroying a community to safe it is defeating its purpose. I think there is room for everyone, and no one person or groups vision should be forced on everyone. We are suppose to be a democratic society.

  Best,

  Donovan

  keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
      .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    I'm astonished at the equation of a locally-owned (and owned by its customers) food co-op that lives out its mission of sustainable, healthy, locally-produced and fairly traded products -- one that "recycled" a vacant building and improved it while still making it accessible to its community by locating downtown -- with a huge shopping mall.

I don't think there's enough caffeine in the world to have that one make sense . . . 

Keely

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  Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:36:39 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: london at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?

  Mr, London makes the following arguments against a new shopping center on the edge of town:

  "If the Moscow council ships utilities across the state line to enable this strip mall, Moscow will face a series of problems, including:
  --depletion of the aquifer that supplies this town with most of its water
  --massive sprawl that will further uglify the Palouse and ravage existing downtown vitality
  --bankruptcy of Moscow businesses unable to compete with this new shopping mall 
  --continuing future upgrades of Moscow infrastructure to cover the demands made by this extension of services, upgrades that will be paid for by Moscow taxpayers
  Is this what Moscow residents really want?"

  As I understand it, Mr. London strongly supported the expansion of the Co-Op, not once, but twice to larger buildings that further deplete the town's water aquifers, increased sprawl of other businesses to the outside of town, created more competition with other businesses in the area, and forcing future upgrades of Moscow's infrastructure to be paid for by Moscow taxpayers. So I would argue what is good for goose must also be for the gander. 

  "Is this what Moscow wants?" I bet it is. If it isn't, then we will have a vacant building on the edge of town. I willing to venture out on a limb, and say those that putting millions into a building of new shopping center aren't doing it on a guess, but in fact put as much research into it as Mr. London did for the expansions of his Co-Op grocery store. 

  I think it would be a significant advantage to have a mall on the western edge of Moscow accepts and competes with the big chain only stores in the Palouse Empire Mall that prohibits local businesses from leasing there. I also think it would allow other chains in Spokane to locate here, and provide jobs to local students and residents, increasing wages and competition for quality laborers rather than providing them to people in Spokane. 

  Best,

  Donovan

Bill London <london at moscow.com> wrote:
            Won't it be grand?  The Moscow-Pullman Highway turned into one long strip mall.....
  And you can read in today's Lewiston Tribune (below) that the first big step in that direction will likely soon be taken.  The new Moscow City Council is under pressure to sell use of Moscow utilities (like sewage and water, and possibly police/fire protection) to the planned Hawkins shopping center located in Washington state on the Moscow-Pullman Highway.  The new council members (pragmatic politicians that they are) seem to be willing to ignore the real issues and fall for a cheap payoff.
  If the Moscow council ships utilities across the state line to enable this strip mall, Moscow will face a series of problems, including:
  --depletion of the aquifer that supplies this town with most of its water
  --massive sprawl that will further uglify the Palouse and ravage existing downtown vitality
  --bankruptcy of Moscow businesses unable to compete with this new shopping mall 
  --continuing future upgrades of Moscow infrastructure to cover the demands made by this extension of services, upgrades that will be paid for by Moscow taxpayers
  Is this what Moscow residents really want?
  BL

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  LEWISTON TRIBUNE
  Council shift changes outlook for proposed Hawkins development
  By David Johnson 
  Saturday, January 12, 2008

MOSCOW - Politics here may have shifted enough after the November election to trigger talks about the city providing water and sewer services across the state line for the proposed Hawkins Co. shopping center.
  A majority of Moscow city councilors, Whitman County commissioners and a spokesman for Hawkins told the Lewiston Tribune there's renewed potential for cooperation.
  This despite Moscow's continued legal challenge of Hawkins' attempts to secure water rights to drill its own wells for the 700,000-square-foot shopping mall.
  The situation comes as the first of two public comment meetings has been scheduled in Colfax on Monday. The county commissioners will take comments, beginning at 1:30 p.m., regarding Hawkins' recent request for Whitman County to float revenue bonds of more than $10 million to help fund infrastructure (including water and sewer) for the development.
  A Whitman County pro-business citizens group, meanwhile, Friday endorsed the proposed bond issue and called on Moscow officials to drop their water rights appeal against Hawkins.
  "It's clear Moscow's appeals are not about water but about keeping out particular kinds of businesses," April Coggins, spokeswoman for Businesses and Residents for Economic Opportunity wrote in a news release. "That attitude was rejected by Moscow voters in November and it is our hope that the new Moscow city council will see things differently and seek to cooperate with their neighbors."
  Moscow's waterlines extend right up to the Hawkins property, and the sewage treatment plant is located nearby.
  "Hawkins is always open to talking to the city of Moscow," said Jeff De Voe, project manager for the proposed shopping center. He declined further comment because of the pending legal appeal.
  It remains unclear how much money Moscow might make (through fees) or Hawkins might save if the two entities can reach an agreement about water and sewer services. But City Attorney Randy Fife and Public Works Director Les McDonald confirmed that a hookup of services is both legal and technically possible.
  Whitman County Commissioners Jerry Finch and Greg Partch, who continue to champion the Hawkins project as the beginning of retail development between here and Pullman, said it's time for Moscow to either join ranks or get out of the way.
  "Moscow didn't say no, they said hell no," Finch said about the city's refusal to cooperate with development of the mall. "Before the election, it's pretty obvious the door had been slammed."
  Three new Moscow councilors were elected in November and appear to have become part of a five-member, pro-business majority. The three, Walter Steed, Dan Carscallen and Wayne Krauss, along with council President Bill Lambert, all said they are willing to talk with Hawkins and Whitman County officials about water and sewer services. Councilor John Weber couldn't be reached for comment, but indicated in the past he favors cooperation.
  Only Councilor Tom Lamar, who has gone on record opposing retail development in the corridor, balked at renewed talks. "I think the best way for Hawkins to tap into our sewer and water is to locate in Moscow," Lamar said.
  Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney, who's been accused of spearheading efforts to thwart the Hawkins project, said her intentions are rooted in environmental and groundwater concerns. That was confirmed by McDonald. "The mayor's driving concern," he said, "is the water resource that the whole region relies upon.
  "Moscow has always been open to talking," said Chaney, adding that the table for such discussion has already been set through the water rights appeal. She said the city has proposed mediation as a means of settling the issue.
  But Partch said talks, if they happen, shouldn't happen in a legal arena. Withdrawal of the appeal, he said, would be the best way for Moscow to show good faith. "That would be a huge gesture on their part," he said, "and we would certainly like to work with them."
  The water rights appeal hearings are scheduled to begin in March.
  "You can't build without water," Finch said, adding that many people think Chaney is simply using the water issue as the only legal lever available to stop retail development in the corridor. "She's the one who seems to be dead set against it."
  A shopping center, said Finch and Partch, is not necessarily a big water consumer. But it would surely be a big revenue producer for the county.
  According to county records, the undeveloped Hawkins acreage, which abuts the Moscow city limits and the Washington-Idaho state line, currently generates about $1,400 in annual tax revenue. If the mall is developed to full capacity, it could produce nearly $1.8 million in annual property and sales taxes for the county, De Voe told the commissioners when making his pitch for the $10 million in infrastructure bonds.
  While Moscow couldn't directly tap into those tax dollars, councilors here said the city might be able to negotiate a fee for water and sewer services that translates into a profit.
  "If it's going to happen and we can sell them something," Lambert said, "why not?"
  "I'm very anxious to get together with entities across the border," said Krauss.
  "I would be interested in talking about the possibility of extending services to Hawkins," Steed said.
  "I think that I would," Carscallen said about talking. Whether Hawkins connects to Moscow or drills its own wells, he said, doesn't seem to make a lot of difference. "They're going to get it out of the same tub we're getting ours."
  Researchers have said the underground aquifers on the Palouse have been steadily dropping. But, lacking data about just how much water is available, the same scientists have said a water management challenge is at hand, not a crisis.
  Finch suggested its up to Moscow officials, since they've filed the appeal against Hawkins, to propose new talks. "If they send us a letter, I would find it more receptive," he said.
  But Lambert said the catalyst for talks might have to come from elsewhere. "I don't see why it would hurt for these people to approach us. Somebody has to generate it, but it wouldn't be something generated by the council, per se."
  Moscow City Supervisor Gary Riedner said the city might reach out. "I will do what we can to facilitate it at the mayor's direction."
  "I know lots of people are talking about talking," Fife said.
  De Voe, meanwhile, told Whitman County officials that his company wants to begin construction this summer. As proposed, the shopping complex would be anchored by a Lowe's home improvement center.
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