[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Iowa caucus stuff
pkraut at moscow.com
pkraut at moscow.com
Sat Jan 5 10:33:58 PST 2008
Oh, thank you....
> Pat,
>
> You have my permission to live your life any God-damned way you want to.
>
> Paul
>
> pkraut at moscow.com wrote:
> > I soooo always apprciate someone who is not a Christian telling me
how I
> > should live it!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> What if he was destitute and unable to provide for his family, and
> >>
> > broke
> >
> >> into your house because your son was hiring him under the table to
do
> >> his chores for him?
> >>
> >> I think the un-Christian thing about this (from my admittedly
> >> non-Christian perspective) is viewing these people as hardened
> >>
> > criminals
> >
> >> intent on taking our jobs away from us instead of people stuck
between
> >>
> > a
> >
> >> rock and a hard place who have to find some way for their family to
> >>
> > survive.
> >
> >> I'm no Bible scholar, but I do remember a lot of talk about poverty
and
> >> helping out your fellow man.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> g. crabtree wrote:
> >>
> >>> It seems to me that your notion of the Gospel with regard to
illegal
> >>> aliens is flawed. Do you believe that should a thief break into
your
> >>> home it's your obligation to give him a hot meal and pay to have
the
> >>> hand he cut breaking your window stitched up? Maybe some dental
care
> >>> for him and his family while he's there? Heck as long as he's
sitting
> >>> on your sofa why not arrange for a little in state tuition at the
> >>> local diploma mill and offer to pay expenses not covered by grants.
> >>>
> > By
> >
> >>> my reckoning it's not Christian charity if my compassion is
forcibly
> >>> extracted at the point of a gun, be it in the form of increased
taxes
> >>> by the government or an actual felon with a firearm. Charity should
> >>>
> > be
> >
> >>> an individual thing from the heart. Also, I'm no biblical scholar
but
> >>> I'm fairly sure that the Bible does not preclude a sovereign
country
> >>> having secure borders.
> >>>
> >>> g
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >>> *To:* J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com> ;
> >>> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:06 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >>>
> >>> My point wasn't that doctrine has a place in a presidential
> >>> campaign, but that I thought it was sad that so many
conservative
> >>> evangelical Christians find confirmation and comfort in their
> >>> faith by being pissed off at undocumented immigrants.
> >>>
> >>> Keely
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>
> > ----------
> >
> >>> From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
<mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:03:14 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >>>
> >>> I have to ask - why would any of the Gospel be part of a
> >>> candidate's priority? I mean, if we get in a fundamentalist
> >>> such as Doug - that just sets me teeth on edge.
> >>>
> >>> No matter what candidate wins in the end, it should be the
> >>> benefit of the entire country, no matter a person's income,
> >>> that is priority. We should be concentrating on getting our
> >>> country up and running again, getting OUR kids fed, OUR
> >>> people's medical needs met, OUR country's goods sold, etc.
> >>> The more money and efforts we expend on the rest of the
world
> >>> just seems to be going down the drain and the only return we
> >>> are seeing is OUR people constantly being targeted for
> >>> killing, maiming, destruction of all sorts and measures.
> >>>
> >>> Our country must get back to protecting what's ours and then
> >>> we can offer help to those in other parts of the world with
> >>> what's left.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the hard-nose approach, but really, after fighting
> >>> and seeing my friends die for OUR country only to see the
> >>> Administration/Powers-that-be give it all way, is getting
old
> >>> and needs to stop if we are to survive this century in one
> >>> piece.
> >>>
> >>> J :]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>
> > --------------
> >
> >>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:04:45 -0800
> >>> Subject: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >>>
> >>> CNN projects Mike Huckabee as the GOP caucus winner in
> >>> Iowa, followed by Romney, then Thompson. On the
> >>> Democratic side, Edwards, Obama and Clinton are fairly
> >>> evenly matched and only Bill Richardson has made any
> >>> statistically notable waves among the second-tier
> >>>
> > candidates.
> >
> >>> I've been for Edwards since he announced, and while I
> >>> would be happy with any of the Democrats (except for
> >>> Kucinich and Gravel), I would be ecstatic if we had an
> >>> Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson, or an Obama/???,
> >>> ticket in 2008. And two great things happen on January
> >>> 20, 2009 -- my son turns 20 (he was born on the final
day
> >>> of the Reagan administration) and the days of the Bush
> >>> presidency are no more.
> >>>
> >>> On a final note, I'm dismayed that several commentators
> >>> have noted that the GOP voters who identify as
> >>> evangelicals consider illegal immigration their top
> >>> issue. It would be wonderful if their top concern was
> >>> justice and opportunity for the poor, but I'm guessing
> >>> that the gospel of Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham
> >>> and Pat Buchanan has trumped the Gospel of that other
guy
> >>> . . .
> >>>
> >>> Keely
> >>>
> >>>
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