[Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention

Tue Feb 26 15:24:36 PST 2008

Yeah, and add those 43 other presidents as well...

On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:38 PM, g. crabtree wrote:

Roger, You left LBJ off of your worst  presidents list. An inadvertent
oversight I'm sure. I think that there is also a strong case to be  
made for
Woodrow Wilson and, despite popular sentiment, FDR.

g
----- Original Message -----
From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention

> Gary is right on Obama. Keely is wrong on Bush. Bush is far from  
> the best
> president we have had, but he is far from the worst. The bottom tier
> consists of Buchcanan, Pierce, Harding, and Carter. This is the  
> consensus
> of most historians. The rankings change with time, but most agree  
> these
> are the worst. W. H. Harrisson and Garfield weren'y  president long  
> enough
> to be evaluated.
> Paul's idea on elections has some merit and it would save the  
> expenses of
> a runoff election.
> Roger
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:24:43 -0800
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>
>> With pleasure:
>>
>> Estimated 800 Billion in new government spending for starters.
>>
>> Massive tax hikes to pay for above. (a 39.6 percent personal  
>> income tax,
>> a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent
>> capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent  
>> death
>> tax, again just for starters. High likelihood of even higher rates  
>> for
>> capital gains and death tax)
>>
>> Enormous increases in government bureaucracy. (health care,  
>> mortgages,
>> education, etc.)
>>
>> Weakened military. (zero military or foreign affairs expertise)
>>
>> Additional intrusion by the government into the most minute  
>> aspects of
>> our daily lives.
>>
>> Large increase in illegal immigration. (favors drivers licenses for
>> illegals, weak on border enforcement)
>>
>> Disintegration of second amendment rights.
>>
>> Erosion of first amendment rights. (fairness doctrine, additional
>> campaign finance reform)
>>
>> Will drive more U.S. corporations overseas. (major increases in  
>> tax rate
>> and regulation)
>>
>> This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on. Pretty much  
>> all the
>> things that make you all warm and tingly down below are the things  
>> that
>> make me pretty much sick to my stomach.
>>
>> Would I be correct in assuming that your second paragraph with the
>> multiple snide remarks about GW was included as an example of the  
>> sorts
>> of things I should avoid to merit the "extra credit" you spoke of  
>> in the
>> first paragraph?
>>
>> g
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: keely emerinemix
>>   To: g. crabtree ; Chasuk ; Vision2020
>>   Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:32 PM
>>   Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>
>>
>>
>>   Please describe, Gary, why an Obama presidency would be a "horror
>> show."  Extra credit if you can do it without being snide.
>>
>>   Even if not measured against the current occupant we have in the  
>> Oval
>> Office, Barack Obama would represent an enormous improvement in
>> brainpower, heart, and backbone, one for which I'll enthusiastically
>> campaign.  Of course the next president will be compared to Bush,  
>> which
>> will have the effect of further consigning Bush to the bottom of  
>> the heap
>> of history's losers.
>>
>>   Keely
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>>> To: chasuk at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:46:26 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>>
>>> Run Ralph, Run! America needs you. (to help save us from the horror
>> show
>>> that would be Obama)
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>>>>
>>>> Ralph Nader could be poised for another third party presidential
>> campaign.
>>>>
>>>> The consumer advocate will appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" on
>> Sunday.
>>>> Nader launched his 2004 presidential run on the show.
>>>>
>>>> A spokesman for Nader did not immediately return a call seeking
>> comment.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Zeese, who was Nader's spokesman during the 2004 presidential
>>>> race, but is no longer working for him, said Friday that Nader has
>>>> been actively talking to "lots of people on all sorts of levels"
>> about
>>>> the possibility of making another run.
>>>>
>>>> Zeese said he could only guess what Nader might do, but added:
>>>>
>>>> "Obviously, I don't think ("Meet the Press" host) Tim Russert would
>>>> have him on for no reason."
>>>>
>>>> Last month, Nader began an exploratory presidential campaign and
>>>> launched a Web site that promises to fight "corporate greed,
>> corporate
>>>> power, corporate control."
>>>>
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