[Vision2020] child forced back/was Romney drops out!?

deb debismith at moscow.com
Sat Feb 9 16:19:03 PST 2008


Still seeing a Communist under every bed, Pat? Sad.....
Debi R-S

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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] child forced back/was Romney drops out!?


> Those 'circumstances' sent this child to live in a communist country!! 
> The mother died to give him freedom and they had no respect for that and 
> neither does anyone else on this site because I am the first one to 
> mention it and it was about her for me. And his hope for the future.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Inasmuch as I continue to support Hillary Clinton for President for
>> reasons that may not appeal to anyone's political logic but mine, and
>> because I was so vehement over the Gerry Weitz attempt to refashion the
>> world in his image, I have tried to tone it down a bit and be much more
>> my lovable non-contentious self; however, I find I must agree with Sunil
>> on this one. Had it been any other child in any other circumstance the
>> right wing zealots who champion "the father as head of the family" world
>> view would have been right there with the police to be sure he was
>> returned to his rightful owner.  
>> 
>>   I also believe a more visable role for  Bill Clinton in Gore's
>> campaign just might have been enough to keep the Rs from stealing that
>> election.  I think Gore was hurt, not helped, by his refusal to involve
>> Clinton.  
>> 
>> One question, too:  Doesn't the Idaho sunshine law cover city council
>> actions?  If so, how could they legally vote in a closed session to sign
>> a contract with Hawkins?
>> 
>> Sue H. 
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Sunil Ramalingam 
>>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>>   Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:47 AM
>>   Subject: [Vision2020] child forced back/was Romney drops out!?
>> 
>> 
>>   I know I'm sidetracking...
>> 
>>   I agree that returning a child to his father may have caused political
>> problems for Gore had he accepted help from Bill Clinton in 2000.  But I
>> do disagree that 'they forced that Cuban child back to Castro.'
>> 
>>   They returned a child to his father after his mother's death.  A child
>> should be with his or her natural parents unless there's a showing that
>> the parents are unfit.  There was no such showing in the Gonzalez case. 
>> Instead we had politics sticking its ugly head into family business,
>> just as we later saw in the Terry Schiavo case.
>> 
>>   Extended family, wherever they're located, don't get to grab someone
>> else's child unless the parent/s are unfit.  We wouldn't allow the
>> Beverly Hills relatives to grab a Moscow/Potlatch/Deary child from a
>> parent just because the relatives had a big house with a cement pond.
>> 
>>   Sunil
>> 
>> 
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>>     Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:04:17 -0800
>>     From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>     To: sdredge at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney drops out!?
>> 
>> 
>>     Scott,
>> 
>>     In 2000 Bill Clinton had a 42% approval rating. Campaigning with
>> Clinton in 2000 would have been a kiss of death. He had an even lower
>> rating in Florida because they forced that Cuban child back to Castro. 
>> 
>>     Yes, Gore lost the election because Florida's Secretary of State,
>> Kathleen Harris, certified the wrong set of popular votes giving the
>> electoral votes to Bush instead of Gore. Also, Nader split the
>> Democratic vote in Vermont, giving the state to Bush. Gore didn't lose
>> the election in 2000, it was stolen from him, and Nader made it
>> possible. Nader doesn't have issues he is concerned with, he is only
>> concerned about himself. The environment has been demolished and set
>> back decades because Bush was allowed into office. 
>> 
>>     Best Regards,
>> 
>>     Donovan 
>> 
>>     Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>       It's a stretch to suggest that Nader sabotaged the 2000 election. 
>> The reason Al Gore lost was because of Al Gore himself.  Under the
>> categories of coulda, woulda, shoulda,  Gore coulda had Bill Clinton
>> campaigning for him instead of distancing himself from Clinton.  And
>> Bill Clinton knows how to run a successful campaign.
>> 
>>       I'd like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket running against a
>> McCain/anybody ticket.  Also, it doesn't particularly matter much to me
>> which ticket wins, I'm just looking forward to the regime change even
>> though George W. Bush is basically neutered at this stage.
>> 
>>       -Scott
>> 
>> 
>>       ----- Original Message ----
>>       From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
>>       To: Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net>
>>       Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>       Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 1:36:56 PM
>>       Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney drops out!?
>> 
>> 
>>       On 2/8/08, Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>         Edwards would be good, as I like what he says, but my
>>         preference would be Ralph Nader, who may very well
>>         campaign for President.  Appealing to Progressives is
>>         good with me, despite whatever baggage Nader may have
>>         (and really, who doesn't have baggage?)
>> 
>>         Nader has a record of working on changing America for
>>         the better for 40 years.  He is well connected to the
>>         activist community, and engaging activists is key to
>>         changing our country from it's disastrous course.  An
>>         Obama/Nader ticket sounds sweet to me.
>> 
>>         gclev
>> 
>>       Many progressives begged Nader to drop out of the 2000
>> presidential race, due to the potential of splitting the Democratic vote
>> harming Gore's chances.  We all know the result.  Nader helped put Bush
>> in the White House in 2000.  Nader's Florida votes alone gave Florida's
>> electoral votes to Bush, as the vote count actually was counted, though
>> we also know that absent illegal voter disenfranchisement, deliberately
>> pushed by Florida's Secretary of State and Bush supporter Katherine
>> Harris, Gore would have won Florida, even with Nader's participation.
>> 
>>       Republican operatives were running ads supporting Nader's 2000
>> candidacy, knowing this would hurt Gore.  And Nader knew this.
>> 
>>       Nader even argued that a Bush presidency might be good for the
>> nation in the long run, given that Bush would create such a back lash
>> against his policies that progressives in the long run would become more
>> unified and motivated.  
>> 
>>       But as far as I am concerned, given the damage of the Bush
>> administration, Nader's 2000 presidential run was an irresponsible
>> application of idealistic principles over sensible practical politics,
>> resulting in wounds that may not heal for decades.  The pending US
>> Supreme Court nominations in 2000 alone were enough of a reason for
>> Nader to withdraw to allow Gore the best chance of a win.  Nader and
>> everyone knew there was zero chance of Nader taking the White House. 
>> His presidential run did not even result in a stronger party base
>> supporting Nader or those who support his policies. His supporters are
>> more off the radar now than in 2000.
>> 
>>       I recall hearing from Nader supporters in 2000 how Gore and Bush
>> both represented corporate big money, and entrenched elitist Washington
>> power, and were not that different.  Well, we have seen that however
>> much this was true, there were substantial differences between Gore and
>> Bush that would have taken the USA in very different directions on
>> critical issues, the invasion of Iraq and climate change, for example. 
>> I do not believe Gore would have supported the invasion and occupation
>> of Iraq, and he would have began to address climate change while the
>> Bush administration was in denial, backing big oil and energy interests,
>> who did not want to address climate change for obvious financial
>> reasons.
>> 
>>       Nader would be a terrible choice for a VP candidate under Obama. 
>> I lost respect for him as a politician after his sabotage of the 2000
>> presidential election.  This showed he is not willing to compromise when
>> the overall good of the nation is at stake.  
>> 
>>       Ted Moffett
>> 
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