[Vision2020] Hawkins Mall and Moscow

Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
Thu Feb 7 16:50:32 PST 2008 

On Feb 7, 2008 3:07 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> And what is it that makes "Moscow water" any different from Pullman water or
> Yakima water or Richland water or Pendleton water or water pumped in The
> Dalles?

The same thing that makes "my car" different from "your car." Hawkins
should be prevented from getting access to Moscow water at market
price for the same reason that you're not going to give me your car
for free.

I might also note that both Idaho's and Washington's water law gives
preferential treatment to prior users. Which includes literally
everyone in Moscow over the Hawkins devolpment.

-- ACS

> The water at all of these locations comes from the same source. The
> same source that Hawkins would be tapping in any instance whether Moscow
> agreed to sell them water or they decided to acquire their own water right
> and pump it for themselves. No matter how you look at it "give-away" is just
> plain in error.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <rhayes at turbonet.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hawkins Mall and Moscow
>
>
> > The idea that Moscow will have some control of the Hawkins mall is
> > illusory.
> > The deal, as I understand it, only sets maximum usage that Hawkins would
> > have targeted anyway-- and far worse, requires Moscow water to be sold at
> > same rate as city customers.
> > The Hawkins deal was a give-away.
> > BL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > To: <london at moscow.com>; <rhayes at turbonet.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
> > "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hawkins Mall and Moscow
> >
> >
> >> I'm not sure what all the whining is about. What is the benefit of the
> >> City of Moscow forking out thousands of dollars to fight a losing battle
> >> with Hawkins only to have them acquire a water right that gives Moscow
> >> absolutely no control or potential revenue? Without the signing of this
> >> agreement Hawkins would have been able to drill a well and draw that
> >> water out of the same aquifer we get ours out of without the City  having
> >> any say.  This way, we have some control since we are the provider.  Not
> >> only that, we should be able to charge them for services at a price
> >> significantly higher than what a Moscow business would be paying. The
> >> silly assertion that "we Moscow taxpayers are financing sprawl in Whitman
> >> County" is without merit. Whitman county will be financing the
> >> infrastructure improvements with 9.1 million dollars worth of bonds and
> >> fire protection will come via a new rural fire station provided by
> >> Hawkins. Instead of grumbling about recalls I think we should be saying
> >> thanks guys, job well done!
> >>
> >> g
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> To: <london at moscow.com>; <rhayes at turbonet.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hawkins Mall and Moscow
> >>
> >>
> >>> Visionaires -
> >>>
> >>> Crank up your speakers and watch/listen to Wayne Krauss . . .
> >>>
> >>> "Behind Closed Doors"
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uziWdh9MfjI
> >>>
> >>> Tom Hansen
> >>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>> R-
> >>>> I agree with your concern and your indignation.
> >>>> I thought these GMA council candidates were supposed to bring "common
> >>> sense"
> >>>> to Moscow.
> >>>> Now we Moscow taxpayers are financing sprawl in Whitman County.
> >>>> Disgusting
> >>>> BL
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "roger hayes" <rhayes at turbonet.com>
> >>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:25 AM
> >>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Hawkins Mall and Moscow
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Dear Moscow taxpayers and business owners,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It appears the city of Moscow will provide water, sewer, and most
> >>>> > likely police and fire services to the proposed Hawkins development
> >>>> > which is slated to be built just across the border in Washington. Who
> >>>> > will benefit by this? Hawkins, regional developers and Whitman
> >>>> > county.
> >>>> > The losers will be Moscow businesses and Moscow taxpayers.
> >>>> > If this plan comes to fruition, we will be exporting our tax dollars
> >>>> > to
> >>>> > Whitman county, shipping the profits of local business to another
> >>>> > state, while reducing Moscow's tax base, AND increasing the demand on
> >>>> > our city's infrastructure. How much money will Hawkins agree to pay
> >>>> > Moscow to mitigate the destructive consequences this megamall will
> >>>> > have
> >>>> > on our city?
> >>>> > With the exception of Tom Lamar, the city council voted against the
> >>>> > best interests of our city and its citizens. Walter Steed said he
> >>>> > could
> >>>> > not comment on the negotiations because they were held in "secret."
> >>>> > Why
> >>>> > the secrecy? Steed also said "this will not make some people happy."
> >>>> > Well, when you make a deal which is destructive to the people who
> >>>> > elected you, it is bound to make them unhappy.
> >>>> > We need to consider a RECALL!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Roger Hayes
> >>>> > Moscow!
> >>>> >
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