[Vision2020] Book reviews

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From: Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:13:53 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com,  starbliss at gmail.com, Vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Book reviews

> " . . . private enterprise along with government incentives . . . "
> 
> Are we talking about Halliburton or Enron?
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> 
> > I don't think that Exxon/Mobil will necessarily carry the day. For the 
> short term we
> should develop all available Western Hemisphere sources to reduce our 
> dependance on Middle
> eastern oil. Some government incentives would be in order, but not a 
> massive government
> ran program. Leave it to private enterprise along with government 
> incentives.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:59:43 -0800
> > To: Vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Book reviews
> > 
> > > Roger Falen wrote:
> > > 
> > > I mentioned breakthrough because it recommend solving problems through
> > > technology not excessive regulation. I realize they would use 
> government to
> > > do this. While some business incentives would be justified, it should
> > > basically be left up to the free market. I said that the approach of
> > > breakthrough and  A contract with Earth are different.
> > > Roger
> > > --------
> > > It would be wonderful if the free market and grass roots efforts could
> > > substantially and rapidly address climate change, and eventual fossil 
> fuel
> > > depletion, given the critical need to roll out alternative energy
> > > technologies.  But given the pace of the roll out so far, this is not
> > > working.
> > > 
> > > There is too much short term profit to be made maintaining the fossil 
> fueled
> > > powered economy mostly as it is, for the "free market" to address 
> climate
> > > change quickly enough to lessen the destructive and very costly long 
> term
> > > effects, while an oil crisis that could cripple our economy becomes 
> more
> > > probable every year.  Of course some energy corporations could make a
> > > killing off an oil crisis; and we see Exxon/Mobil making record setting
> > > profits (the most of any corporation in history) in recent years, as
> > > pressures on the oil markets have pushed gasoline to a sustained high 
> price
> > > in the USA, hurting consumer spending and stressing middle and lower 
> class
> > > budgets.
> > > 
> > > I guess you do not favor a massive "Apollo" styled government program 
> to
> > > promote roll out of alternative energy technologies.  But I don't 
> really see
> > > any other way to realistically address a quick and significant
> > > implementation of alternative energy.  For example, do you
> > > think Exxon/Mobil, the largest oil corporation on the planet, with
> > > incredible resources to lobby the US government (VP Cheney's secret 
> energy
> > > corporation meetings...), is going to push for the rapid roll out of
> > > alternative non-fossil fuel energy in the free market?
> > > 
> > > I think the answer is obvious.  No.
> > > 
> > > Ted Moffett
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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