[Vision2020] being fair and even

[Sunil Ramalingam]

We could pull their fingernails too.  Shove sharp objects in their genitals, maybe.  Might get us some info, right?

McCain says he talked too, after he was tortured.  Says he didn't tell them anything truthful.  So we should hurt people until they sing?  No thanks.

How can you tell which prisoner has the information you say will save lives?  Better torture them all, right?  One of them might know something.

Roger, once we set down the road you're ready to walk, there's no reason not to torture everyone, and we can keep telling ourselves lies to pretend it's all right.

I don't think advocating torture will get me to the moral high ground.  Defending it hasn't gotten you there.  Question my priorities all you will.  You won't find defending torture on my list, and I can live with that.

Sunil

> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:11:00 -0700
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> 
> On waerboarding
> It should not be used as a routine interrogation procedure. In extreme case in order to save lives it could be used as a last resort. One of the 9/11 terrorists would not talk. When he was waterboarded, he sang. I think it was justified in this case. If that is the only way to obtain information that may save lives, it is justified. I would have an extremely guilty conscience  if I did not use it and that omission resulted in multiply deaths. These are people who would behead you given the opportunity. If you would not use it in any case, I would question your priorities. You are not on the moral high ground here.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:16:56 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> 
> > 
> > What else ould he mean?
> > 
> > Maybe he's talking about our financial system.  Both parties are busy shoring up private institutions with taxpayer money.
> > 
> > Do you think that's socialism or full-blown communism, or is it part of restructuring the economy.
> > 
> > I think your conclusion is one of the last I would leap to without evidence.  I don't know how you can simultaneously make that leap and still require more time on waterboarding.
> > 
> > Sunil
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:53:07 -0700
> > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> > > 
> > > What else can he mean by completely restructuring the economy? Think about it.
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:44:06 -0700
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Roger,
> > > > 
> > > > Seems to me you're making an enormous and unfounded leap to say that Obama is talking about 'full blown socialism if not communism.'  Without foundation for that claim it's pretty ludicrous.
> > > > 
> > > > Sunil
> > > > 
> > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:28:22 -0700
> > > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sue doesn't think I'e been fair and even in the ridicule or poking fun at department. I think that Saundra's George Bush cartoon was a fair response to my kittens joke. I will give her another one. The radio talk show hosts have been belittling Obama for his " that is a higher pay grade than me" answer at the Saddleback Forum. I don't see a problem with it. He could have been referring to God. Who knows? In any case why waste time on it. There are more important thing to be worried about. For instance he said "It will be necessary to restructure the entire american economy. That translates to full blown socialism if not communism to me. That scares the hell out of me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Roger
> > > > > 
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