[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Ex-UI Researcher Faces Deportation

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Aug 8 11:11:59 PDT 2008


I don'thave a problem with HR, they may be dueing their best, but the UI Admiistraion should not just let it go, They  can take actioin starting with the interm president by raising hell with everyone in DC.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:44:00 -0700
To: Craine Kit kcraine at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re:  Ex-UI Researcher Faces Deportation

> I used to work in HR there, albeit as a programmer and not an HR person, 
> but they do tend to get grief for a lot that is often out of their 
> control.  There are federal and state laws that they have to follow at 
> the risk of fines or worse.  They do the best they can within the 
> constraints they are given.  They don't do these kinds of things just 
> for laughs.  That's not to say that they don't make mistakes, everybody 
> does. 
> 
> These kinds of things are rightfully frustrating.  However, please don't 
> hold it against the nice people down there that work long hours at an 
> often thankless job.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Craine Kit wrote:
> > Just to throw another light into this thread:
> >
> > One of the reasons I have nothing good to say about the UI is that  
> > when I worked there, every now and then I would be told on a pay day  
> > that I would not be getting a check until I presented my green card  
> > to the foreign-workers desk of human services. I was born in Gritman  
> > Memorial Hospital in Moscow Idaho. I would present a certified copy  
> > of my Idaho birth certificate, the foot print from the hospital, my  
> > social security card issued in the early 1950's, my school photos  
> > going back to kindergarden, driver's licences since I was fourteen,  
> > and whatever else I could find that would document my life-long  
> > Moscow residency. None of it was acceptable proof that I had a right  
> > to work at the university. They wanted the green card and my  
> > passport. The first time it was sort of amusing; the sixth time wasn't.
> >
> > When the UI can't understand the concept that a natural born citizen  
> > has a right to work, I put little weight on their advice to those who  
> > have moved here from another country.
> >
> > Kit Craine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> The University of Idaho sponsored Katarzyna Dziewanowaka for her  
> >> visa.  In my opinion, this assigns primary responsibility to the  
> >> University of Idaho.  Bureaucracy be DAMNED!
> >>
> >> It is not like this is the first foreign born scientist to be  
> >> sponsored by the University of Idaho, now is it?
> >>
> >> Tom Hansen
> >> Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >>> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:03:53 -0700
> >>> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>> To: lfalen at turbonet.com; idahotom at hotmail.com; chasuk at gmail.com;  
> >>>       
> >> privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >>     
> >>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-UI Researcher Faces Deportation
> >>>
> >>> second correction
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:58:14 -0700
> >>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Tom Hansen"  
> >>>       
> >> idahotom at hotmail.com, Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com, "J Ford"  
> >> privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >>     
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-UI Researcher Faces Deportation
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>> I forgot to add Shirley Ringo. Her email is  
> >>>>         
> >> ringoshirl at moscow.com. Sorry for the omission. I think she and Tom  
> >> both read the vision.
> >>     
> >>>> Roger
> >>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>> From: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>>> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:52:09 -0700
> >>>> To: "Tom Hansen" idahotom at hotmail.com, Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com,  
> >>>>         
> >> "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >>     
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-UI Researcher Faces Deportation
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>>>> The case of Katarzyna Dziewanowaka is not comparable to the  
> >>>>>           
> >> illegal alian problem. She was asked to come here and did an  
> >> excellent job. She won the outstanding lab tech award last year.  
> >> The fault here lies with an idiotic bureaucrat and the University.  
> >> I would like to ask every one to wrie their congressmen(local and  
> >> national). I plan on writing a letter to te editor at the DN asking  
> >> their readers to do the same.
> >>     
> >>>>> The UI employs a vast number of people from around the world.  
> >>>>>           
> >> Whether this is good or bad is debateable. In some cases the may  
> >> not have Americans apply. For the last opening for a faculty member  
> >> in Vet and Animal Science there were only three applicants. One  
> >> from South America, ome from China and one from Iran. The Iranian  
> >> is already here as a post doc. He is a nice guy and has a good  
> >> command of english. He is my pick, But this is a separate problem.  
> >> The point is that Katarzyna was asked to come here, has done a good  
> >> job and ha not done anything illegal. She should not be kicked out.  
> >> Write your congressmen
> >>     
> >>>>> Tom Trail - ttrail at moscow.com
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>> From: Tom Hansen idahotom at hotmail.com
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:12:18 -0700
> >>>>> To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com, J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-UI Researcher Faces Deportation
> >>>>>
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> EXACTLY, Chas!UI screwed this lady over like nobody's  
> >>>>>>             
> >> business. Everything is fine and dandy as long as the university is  
> >> getting something out of the deal.When the university placed her in  
> >> an unemployed status, they virtually forced her to violate (and  
> >> terminate) her visa. Instead of going to bat for her (and showing  
> >> her that the university cares and has a conscience), they kicked  
> >> her to the proverbial curb. That is NOT the University of Idaho  
> >> that I have learned to admire, nor is it the University of Idaho  
> >> with which I care to associate.I have lost ALOT of respect for my  
> >> alma mater.Seeya round town, Moscow.Tom Hansen
> >>     
> >>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>             
> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:32:22 -0700> From:  
> >>>>>>>               
> >> chasuk at gmail.com> To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com> CC:  
> >> vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-UI Researcher  
> >> Faces Deportation> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:44, J Ford  
> >> <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > I'm sorry for this family,  
> >> the UI, the community and this country that this> > is happening.  
> >> However, the article and personnel at the Immigration> > Department  
> >> are correct - it is up to the individual to make sure things are> >  
> >> in order and done
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> <http://images3.ichotelsgroup.com/cq/content/dec/cn/0/en/rd/anr_div.text.html> 
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> >>
> >>
> >>  when they need to be.> > The UI sponsored this  
> >> individual into this country. They were her> trusted point of  
> >> contact. They screwed her, and should be stepping> forward to make  
> >> amends now, but instead are playing a game of> bureaucratic "CYA.">  
> >>     
> >>>>> No ONE individual, not matter their work, is more important  
> >>>>>           
> >> than another when it comes to immigration.> > I'm going to have to  
> >> disagree. A orchard worker is pretty expendable> (i.e., "easily  
> >> replaceable" for those who will pred!
> >>     
> >>> icta!
> >>>       
> >>>>> bly
> >>>>> choose to> be outraged by an honest vocabulary). . This  
> >>>>>           
> >> researcher isn't.> > > The main "blame" has got to lie in the lap  
> >> of the researcher.> > The only blame is the enforcers of these  
> >> chickenshit rules who don't> realize that ALL rules are made to be  
> >> broken in the right> circumstance. But immigration work seems to  
> >> attract rule Nazis.> > I'm sorry, Katarzyna Dziewanowska.> > Chas>  
> >>     
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