[Vision2020] The Nation, 6/30/08

Fri Aug 1 10:18:44 PDT 2008

So Tom...

Without the stimulus checks these same 'have nots' would not have spent money that they don't have on food, rent, and bills?  Instead they would have starved, been facing eviction, and receiving calls from collection agencies as opposed to being forced by cold hearts to live within their means for that particular month that they potential would have to do without the one time so-called stimulus check?  Seems to me that giving money to the 'have nots' ultimately results with this going directly back to the 'haves' depending if you define 'haves' as business owners, landlords, and credit lenders.  Once again, I ask 'What problem are you trying to solve?'.

Maybe I've misunderstood your comments below, please clarify if I have.

-Scott

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: editor at lataheagle.com; sslund_2007 at verizon.net; lfalen at turbonet.com; kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nation, 6/30/08

By Kai's commentary, the stimulus checks distributed these past few months 
must have created one MAJOR spark in the economy.

Surprise, Kai.  It has been shown by surveys and a multitude of analyses 
that the "have nots" have used their stimulus checks on such frivolous 
items as food, rent, and bills, while the "haves" . . . well . . . you 
know.

Your thoughts?

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

> Human nature is human nature.
> Chances are, most of the "have nots" would blow their windfall 
purchasing 
> things they could have never afforded before.
> Without thinking of the future, many people would blow right through it. 
> Once gone, they would wind up selling many of the things they purchased 
> because they didn't save any of it for neccesities.
> Many of the "haves" would see opportunities and try to make the most of 
> their windfall, gaining wealth.
> It has nothing to do with the "worst" or "best" in humans. It's just the 
way 
> it is.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:51 AM
> To: "'Kai Eiselein, Editor'" <editor at lataheagle.com>; "'lfalen'" 
> <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "'keely emerinemix'" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Nation, 6/30/08
> 
> > Yes, of course I read it -- did you read the 6/30 The Nation issue 
Keely
> > mentioned in starting this topic?
> >
> > I disagree with the hypothetical conclusion in your hypothetical 
scenario.
> > I also don't agree with the inherent assumption of the worst of 
humans --
> > you sound almost Hobbesian.  Sorry for not making that clear.  To 
expand . 
> > .
> > .
> >
> > I think the odds are good that in a wealth redistribution that some of 
the
> > "have nots" would cherish the change, manage the money well, and truly
> > remember from whence they came.  In a wealth redistribution, I think 
the
> > odds are good some of the previous "haves" would have no eye to the 
future
> > and would soon be penniless . . . and need assistance.
> >
> > The difference in my hypothetical scenario & yours is that there are 
so 
> > many
> > more "have nots" than "haves" that the eventual distribution of the
> > redistribution would be better for the greater good and a net gain in
> > quality of life for more.  I'm not willing to assume the worst in a
> > hypothetical based on the self-serving historical behavior of some of 
the
> > "haves" and their failure to consider a common good and their fellow
> > countrymen.
> >
> > I like to think we'd have no need to redistribute wealth if we each 
helped
> > our sisters and brothers, mothers and fathers, daughters and sons to 
> > improve
> > their lots in life to the best of our abilities rather than just what 
we
> > think they deserve.  Nor would we likely need government safety nets 
for 
> > so
> > many of our unfortunate were it not for the greed of the "haves."
> >
> > Altruistic Pollyanna is a name I'm far more comfortable wearing than 
Cynic
> > Assuming Greed Trumps Good.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kai Eiselein, Editor [mailto:editor at lataheagle.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:01 AM
> > To: Saundra Lund; 'lfalen'; 'keely emerinemix'; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nation, 6/30/08
> >
> > Did you or did you not read my hypothetical scenario?
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:56 AM
> > To: "'Kai Eiselein, Editor'" <editor at lataheagle.com>; "'lfalen'"
> > <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "'keely emerinemix'" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>;
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Nation, 6/30/08
> >
> >> Kai wrote:
> >> "I would venture to hypothesize this:  If wealth were distributed 
equally
> >> to
> >> every person, it would only be a matter of time before there would be 
the
> >> "haves" and "have nots" once again."
> >>
> >> Good grief -- what do you mean "once again"?!?!  That's how things 
are 
> >> now
> >
> >> .
> >> . . hello!
> >>
> >>
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people 
to do
> >> nothing.
> >> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through 
life
> >> plus
> >> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
> >> outside
> >> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> >> author.*****
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Kai Eiselein
> > Editor, Latah Eagle
> >
> >
> Kai Eiselein
> Editor, Latah Eagle 
> 
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