[Vision2020] NOAA: Carbon Dioxide, Methane Rise Sharply in 2007

Glenn Schwaller vpschwaller at gmail.com
Thu Apr 24 14:34:14 PDT 2008

Well Roger, according to Al Gore's Feature Presentation, temperature
increases first, followed by an increase in carbon dioxide.  Yes, you
have to look carefully at the graph ("conveniently" squished
alltogether as to be almost impossible to resolve anything, and
fleetingly shown at that) but temperature goes up, THEN CO2 follows.
Didn't really point that one out now, did he.  Imagine that.

It's really not that surprising since this is a representation of the
basic solubility of gases in liquid - warm liquids hold less gas than
cold liquids.  Open two cans of beer and put one in your car on a warm
day and one in your fridge.  Go back an hour later and see which has
gone flat.  And if you could measure the amount of CO2 in the car and
the fridge at the beginning and the end of this little experiment, you
would see more CO2 in your car than in the fridge.  Imagine that.

Even more insidious is the graphical representation of CO2 v temp in
Laurie David's book for children on global warming.  Their graph of
CO@ v temp was taken directly from the data in
the 2005 Science article by U. Siegenthaler in which they
(Siegenthaler et al.) show and state:

"The lags of CO2 with respect to the Antarctic temperature over
glacial terminations V to VII are 800, 1600, and 2800 years,
respectively, which are consistent with earlier observations during
the last four glacial cycles."   (Siegenthaler et al., 2005, Science,
vol. 310, 1313-1317)

David's book has the labels for CO2 and temperature deliberatly
reversed to show their contention that temperature increase follows
CO2 increase.  The unadulterated graph shows exactly the opposite.
Imagine that.

And in an unrelated question, why is it that local gas prices have
increased by 10 or more cents over the past week, yet this is still
the same gas pumped in their storage tanks well over a week ago??  Huh
. . . .

It's also interesting to note that over the past year the futures on
soybeans, corn, and rice have risen by 92%, 49% and 121% respectively,
yet I don't see the stockers at Safeway running out on a daily basis
slapping a price increase on  tofu, cornflakes and rice krispies.

 And there is no evidence of gouging?!?!?!



On 4/24/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> Ted
> Look at the production of C02 and a raise in temperature as a function of
> time. Which occurs first?
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:48:13 -0700
> To: vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] NOAA: Carbon Dioxide, Methane Rise Sharply in 2007
> > http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080423_methane.html
> >
> >  Carbon Dioxide, Methane Rise Sharply in 2007
> >
> > April 23, 2008
> > Last year alone global levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, the primary
> > driver of global climate change, increased by 0.6 percent, or 19 billion
> > tons. Additionally methane rose by 27 million tons after nearly a decade
> > with little or no increase. NOAA scientists released these and other
> > preliminary findings today as part of an annual update to the agency's
> > greenhouse gas index <http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi>, which tracks
> data
> > from 60 sites around the world.
> >
> > The burning of coal, oil, and gas, known as fossil fuels, is the primary
> > source of increasing carbon dioxide emissions. Earth's oceans, vegetation,
> > and soils soak up half of these emissions. The rest stays in the air for
> > centuries or longer. Twenty percent of the 2007 fossil fuel emissions of
> > carbon dioxide are expected to remain in the atmosphere for thousands of
> > years, according to the latest scientific assessment by the International
> > Panel on Climate Change.
> >
> > Viewed another way, last year's carbon dioxide increase means 2.4
> molecules
> > of the gas were added to every million molecules of air, boosting the
> global
> > concentration to nearly 385 parts per million (ppm). Pre-industrial carbon
> > dioxide levels hovered around 280 ppm until 1850. Human activities pushed
> > those levels up to 380 ppm by early 2006.
> >
> > The rate of increase in carbon dioxide concentrations accelerated over
> > recent decades along with fossil fuel emissions. Since 2000, annual
> > increases of two ppm or more have been common, compared with 1.5 ppm per
> > year in the 1980s and less than one ppm per year during the 1960s.
> >
> > Methane levels rose last year for the first time since 1998. Methane is 25
> > times more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but there's far
> > less of it in the atmosphere�about 1,800 parts per billion. When related
> > climate affects are taken into account, methane's overall climate impact
> is
> > nearly half that of carbon dioxide.
> >
> > Rapidly growing industrialization in Asia and rising wetland emissions in
> > the Arctic and tropics are the most likely causes of the recent methane
> > increase, said scientist Ed Dlugokencky from NOAA's Earth System Research
> > Laboratory.
> >
> > "We're on the lookout for the first sign of a methane release from thawing
> > Arctic permafrost," said Dlugokencky. "It's too soon to tell whether last
> > year's spike in emissions includes the start of such a trend."
> >
> > Permafrost, or permanently frozen ground, contains vast stores of carbon.
> > Scientists are concerned that as the Arctic continues to warm and
> permafrost
> > thaws, carbon could seep into the atmosphere in the form of methane,
> > possibly fueling a cycle of carbon release and temperature rise.
> >
> > NOAA is dedicated to enhancing economic security and national safety
> through
> > the prediction and research of weather and climate-related events and
> > information service delivery for transportation, and by providing
> > environmental stewardship of our nation's coastal and marine resources.
> > Through the emerging Global Earth Observation System of Systems
> > (GEOSS<http://www.noaa.gov/eos.html>),
> > NOAA is working with its federal partners, more than 70 countries and the
> > European Commission to develop a global monitoring network that is as
> > integrated as the planet it observes, predicts and protects.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> >
> >
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