[Vision2020] Senator Larry Craig Challenges Guilty Plea

pkraut at moscow.com pkraut at moscow.com
Sat Sep 29 17:04:00 PDT 2007

I would sure like to know what the truth is...or at least closer than I 
think I do now. So much garbage out there it is hard to zero in on any one 
story. And than of course there is the gossip I have heard for 
awhile...that the libs are going to go after the higher ranking 
conservatives and get them out. But it is hard for me to believe that some 
officer does not have better things to do than sit on the john and hope 
Craig comes in. But then again maybe not.......

> Why fight it at this point?  Larry Craig pled to a lesser charge and paid
a>  fine.  Why not just move on and finish out his Senate term?  The shock
fac> tor has already worn off.  George W. Bush pled guilty to a DUI, paid a
smal> l fine, and had his driver's license suspended.  This is far more 
t> han a guilty plea for disorderly conduct and yet the DUI didn't 
> Bush from the presidency.


----- Original Message ----
Fr> om: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
vision2020 at moscow.> com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:45:02 PM
Subject: Re:
[Vision202> 0] Senator Larry Craig Challenges Guilty Plea


Craig was
off> ered a one-for-one: Plead to one, the other goes away.  It's a 
> offer here too.  I'm inclined to agree with you that the conduct 
involve> d in the charge he pled to is not particularly egregious; if you 
to>  me and had been charged with only that one count, we might well want 
fight it on a number of grounds.  And yes, the cop could have built a
stronger case by waiting it out.  Perhaps he was tired of sitting there
> with 
his pants down.

But you're looking at it in a vacuum; you
can'> t ignore the other charge, 
which is the more dangerous one for Craig. 
Y> es, it's possible that one 
stares into space.  I do it too, but not
thro> ugh a crack between toilet 
partitions behind which sits a man I would
as> sume to be defecating, or at 
least half-naked.  I'll bet you don't do
th> at often either.

The officer's testimony would contradict that
explana> tion; he says Craig was 
deliberately staring at him.  It's possible
he's>  wrong, but if Craig gets 
his plea back and goes to trial, seems to me
h> e would have to take the stand 
to refute the cop's testimony.  Does he
r> eally want to be cross-examined on 
that point?  I don't think so.

S> unil

>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: Tom
Hansen>  <thansen at moscow.com>
>CC: 'Donovan Arnold'
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> >,  'Sunil Ramalingam' 
><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, 
vision2020 at mosco> w.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Senator Larry Craig Challenges Guilty
Pl> ea
>Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:00:46 -0700
>I've posted on this
befo> re, but I might as well do it again, I guess.
>I don't think that
Sen> ator Craig should be punished by the law for 
>something as stupid as
bum> ping another man's foot, looking through a crack 
>in a door, or moving
h> is hand under the partition. Couldn't the officer 
>have done whatever
wa> s expected next, which I presume is to come over to 
>his stall, and
wait>  for him to make an undeniable request for sex (verbally 
>or bodily)
bef> ore arresting him?
>As for the peeping through the door thing, am I
t> he only person around here 
>that will sometimes stare into space when
I'> m thinking about something 
>deeply, only to "come to" with the
realizati> on that I've been staring at 
>someone the entire time? I'm not saying I
> do this every day, but I've done 
>it before. I can't be the only one.
I'> m not saying that is what happened to 
>Craig, but it's definitely
possib> le.
>I can also see an occasion where someone might want to plead
gui> lty to 
>something they didn't do in an attempt to avoid certain people
f> inding out 
>about it. That doesn't speak too highly of him if he did
tha> t, but a guilty 
>plea to a misdemeanor doesn't mean the person did it
ab> solutely. If you 
>think he is the kind of guy that solicits sex in a
pub> lic bathroom, why is 
>it so unbelievable that he might have lied to
gain>  a perceived advantage?

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