[Vision2020] The Human Toll

Tue Sep 25 21:42:00 PDT 2007

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11, Pat?  Are you finally revealing the 
reason for the Iraq war?  By the way, how violent has that war been?

Sunil

>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:51:37 -0700
>
>With two of these quotes before 9/11 I ask if you have never changed your
>mind about something you said that has proven to be wrong?? If not, why 
>not?
>Especially since 9/11 was so violent. I cannot say that I really care about
>your answer because you obviously think this is a very profound set of
>quotes as they are repeated so often. But, I think it shows your very 
>closed
>mind!
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:45 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>
>
>"The notion that we ought to now go to Baghdad and somehow take control of
>the country strikes me as an extremely serious one in terms of what we'd
>have to do once we got there. You'd probably have to put some new 
>government
>in place. It's not clear what kind of government that would be, how long
>you'd have to stay. For the U.S. to get involved militarily in determining
>the outcome of the struggle over who's going to govern in Iraq strikes me 
>as
>a classic definition of a quagmire." - Dick Cheney, 1991
>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Cheney_Quagmire.mp3
>
>And Dick Cheney again in 1994
>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a8_1186873756
>
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>
>"I think Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the president made a big mistake in
>justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of
>mass destruction." - Gerald R. Ford (July 28, 2004)
>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Ford_Iraq_Big_Mistake.mp3
>
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>
> >From the October 1, 2007 edition of the Army Times -
>
>-------------------------------
>
>U.S. service members who died while supporting combat operations in Iraq,
>confirmed by the Defense Department from September 14 through September 20:
>
>Army Spc. Matthew J. Emerson, 20, of Grandview, Washington; assigned to the
>2nd Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry
>Division, Fort Bliss, Texas.
>
>Army Capt. (Dr.) Roselle M. Hoffmaster, 32, of Cleveland, Ohio; assigned to
>the Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th
>Mountain Division, Fort Drum, New York.
>
>Army Sgt. Edmund J. Jeffers, 23, of Daleville, Alabama; assigned to the 1st
>Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry
>Division, Fort Carson, Colorado.
>
>Army Spc. Joseph N. Landry III, 23, of Pensacola, Florida; assigned to the
>2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division
>(Stryker Brigade Combat Team), Fort Lewis, Washington.
>
>Army Command Sgt. Maj. Jonathan M. Lankford, 42, of Scottsboro, Alabama;
>assigned to the 79th Ordnance Battalion, Fort Sam Houston, Texas.
>
>Army Pfc. Luigi Marciante Jr., 25, of Elizabeth, New Jersey; assigned to 
>the
>2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division,
>Stryker Brigade Combat Team, Fort Lewis, Washington.
>
>Army Cpl. Graham M. McMahon, 22, of Corvallis, Oregon; assigned to the 4th
>Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division,
>Stryker Brigade Combat Team, Fort Lewis, Washington.
>
>Army Pfc. Christian M. Neff, 19, of Lima, Ohio; assigned to the 1st
>Battalion, 64th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry
>Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia.
>
>Army Spc. Nicholas P. Olson, 22, of Novato, California; assigned to the 2nd
>Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division
>(Stryker Brigade Combat Team), Fort Lewis, Washington.
>
>Army Spc. Joshua H. Reeves, 26, of Watkinsville, Georgia; assigned to the
>2nd Battalion, 16th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st 
>Infantry
>Division, Fort Riley, Kansas.
>
>Army Spc. Donald E. Valentine III, 21, of Orange Park, Florida; assigned to
>the 2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry
>Division (Stryker Brigade Combat Team), Fort Lewis, Washington.
>
>Army Spc. Aaron J. Walker, 23, of Harker Heights, Texas; assigned to the 
>3rd
>Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment, 1st Armored Division, Vilseck,
>Germany.
>
>Army Spc. David L. Watson, 29, of Newport, Arkansas; assigned to the 2nd
>Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division
>(Stryker Brigade Combat Team), Fort Lewis, Washington.
>
>Army Spc. John J. Young, 24, of Savannah, Georgia; assigned to the 2nd
>Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain
>Division (Light Infantry), Fort Drum, New York.
>
>September 14 - September 20
>Killed: 14; wounded in action: 88
>
>March 19, 2003 - September 20, 2007
>Killed: 3,785; wounded in action: 27,936
>
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>
>The following U.S. service members died while supporting combat operations
>in Afghanistan, confirmed by the Defense Department from September 14
>through September 20:
>
>Army Sgt. 1st Class Matthew D. Blaskowski, 27, of Levering, Michigan;
>assigned to the 2nd Battalion (Airborne), 503rd Infantry Regiment, 173rd
>Airborne Brigade Combat Team, Vicenza, Italy.
>
>September 14 - September 20
>Killed: 1; Wounded in action: 28
>
>Oct. 10, 2001 - September 20, 2007
>Killed: 437; Wounded in action: 1,595
>
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>
>National Guard (In Federal Status) and Reserve Mobilized
>(as of September 19, 2007)
>http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2007/d20070919ngr.pdf
>
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>
>And the beat goes on . . .
>
>"Bring 'em Home"
>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Bring_em_home.mp3
>
>"If you love this land of the free
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>Bring them back from overseas
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>
>It will make the politicians sad, I know
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>They wanna tangle with their foe
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>
>They wanna test their grand theories
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>With the blood of you and me
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>
>Now we'll give no more brave young lives
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>For the gleam in someone's eyes
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>
>The men will cheer and the boys will shout
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>Yeah and we will all turn out
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>
>The church bells will ring with joy
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>To welcome our darlin' girls and boys
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>
>We will lift our voice and sound
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home
>Yeah, when Johnny comes marching home
>Bring 'em home, bring 'em home."
>
>Pro patria,
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the 
>tranquil
>and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>
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