[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 22 18:39:35 PDT 2007
Goons more to your liking would not have improved the First Amendment's
status at the event.
Sunil
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:59:41 -0700
>
>Hey, don't get me wrong. I don't find anything unusual or particularly out
>of the ordinary in an obnoxious, loud, rude, buffoon making a fool of
>himself at a democrat gathering. More like par for the course. (or the
>senior Massachusetts senator on a Saturday night. Party on, teddy) I'm just
>curious about the assertion that political speech at a political event
>trumps all other rules or standards that may have been in place. It is my
>understanding that the diminutive university police had been summoned by
>the event sponsors to escort said fool from the venue. Democrat sponsors,
>removing a presumably democrat attention seeker at a democrat event, while
>a democrat mumbles on. Where do conservatives come under fire in this silly
>mess? It's my contention that the sponsors were probably within their
>rights and that had the security personnel that were there been better
>suited to the job the whole thing would have been a non-issue. Nothing more
>and nothing less.
>
>g
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>
>
>Wrong again, Pat.
>
>I suggest you get yourself a stopwatch and report back to us your timing
>results ***as well as*** the source you're timing so we can all check your
>accuracy. All of the sources I've times have showed the same results from
>all angles. It's an objective fact.
>
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>- Edmund Burke
>
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>plus
>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of pkraut at moscow.com
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:49 PM
>To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>
>You saw the shortened version...edited for TV.
>
>
>
> > Is that what you saw on Fox, Pat? If so, I suggest you and Gary
> > Crabtree look elsewhere because all of the versions I've seen had the
> > young man interrupted within about 30 seconds. And, part of that
> > <gasp> 30 seconds was spent thanking Kerry for his time -- so much for
> > your earlier
>contention
> > that, "Its <sic> just one more example of the current generation
> > pushing
>the
> > boundries <sic> and grownups being unable or unwilling to draw a line
> > in manners and behavior." It's good to know -- although certainly not
> > surprising -- that your definition of "manners and behavior" doesn't
>include
> > the expression of gratitude.
> >
> > Further, he wasn't even able to ask a SINGLE question before the cops
> > started hassling him, so you are -- yet again, although again not
> > surprisingly -- wrong in your allegation with respect to his questions
>that
> > he'd "had already had so many answered that the person running the mic
>had
> > turned him off." The cops were all over the guy -- within 90 seconds
>from
> > the time started expressing his thanks to Kerry -- before Kerry was
> > able
>to
> > answer a SINGLE question. Geez-a-lou -- have you never been to a real
> > political forum where there are questions and answers? I can think of
>very
> > few instances in the *many* I've attended -- both liberal and
>conservative
> > -- where the person asking a question got out in under 60 seconds, and
> > frankly, the conservatives seem to have a lot heck of a lot of
> > difficulty being succinct, IMHO.
> >
> > You people really crack me up! You and your ilk only care about the
> > Constitution and its lofty notions of free speech when it suits you
> > and
>you
> > agree with what's being said. The rest of the time, you show your
> > true colors of wanting to lockstep us right into fascism, which you've
> > made it clear time and again is where you feel most comfortable.
> >
> > Fortunately, there are still enough of us who BELIEVE in the
> > Constitution and this little experiment in democracy known as the
> > United States of America that your lunacy will continue to lose, thank
>God!
> >
> >
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
> > do nothing.
> > - Edmund Burke
> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through
> > life
>plus
> > 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
>outside
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> > author.*****
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
>bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of pkraut at moscow.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:57 PM
> > To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
> >
> > The student was asking questions about Kerry and Bush and thier
>involvment
> > with the 'skull and bones club' and had already had so many answered
>that
> > the person running the mic had turned him off. Kerry is saying that he
> > will answer the question. It was on Fox.
> >
> >
> > All-
> > >
> > > I have not read one comment in this threat regarding what the
> > > tasered student was asking John Kerry. Maybe I missed it.
> > >
> > > What I heard in the media, which I have not verified, is that the
>student
> > > was holding a book by Greg Palast (in the video you can see the
>student
> > is
> > > holding up a book during the incident), dealing with the election in
> > 2004,
> > > which Palast (and others who have studied the facts carefully)
> > > asserts
> > was
> > > stolen from Kerry via voting fraud and abuse of various kinds. The
> > student
> > > is questioning Kerry about why he did not do more to address the
> > > fact
>his
> > > election to the White House was stolen (my wording, not what the
>student
> > may
> > > have possibly said).
> > >
> > > If this is indeed what the student was asking John Kerry, the
> > > question
>is
> > > important.
> > >
> > > The student may have been being disruptive in pushing his question
> > > "inappropriately" during this appearance by Kerry. But unless there
> > > is
>a
> > > threat of violence, or vandalism, etc. I don't understand why law
> > > enforcement needed to arrest someone using violence for asking
>questions
> > > during a public event. But I'm not certain of the total context in
>which
> > > law enforcement felt they needed to take these actions. I suspect
> > > the
> > fact
> > > a US Senator was in the room resulted in a high level of police
>security
> > for
> > > the event, and they did not want to take any chances of someone "out
> > > of control" doing harm to Kerry.
> > >
> > > Everyone knows how managed public appearances have become for
> > > politicians. Nothing "off script" is allowed, if possible. Some
> > politicians
> > > screen everyone at their public appearances before they are allowed
>in.
> > The
> > > audience is thus pre-selected to avoid protest. George W. Bush is
> > > well known for "public" appearances of this sort
> > >
> > > Ted Moffett
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/21/07, Janesta <janesta at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't care if the guy did this 1000 times before. Violence
> > > > should
> > NEVER
> > > > be used to silence the opinion of another.
> > > >
> > > > Janesta
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/20/07, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/20/07, Pat Kraut < pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On this kids web site he has other occasions when he
>has 'diturbed
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > peace' and asked for all he got. His mic had been turned off
> > > > > > by
> > > > > someone who
> > > > > > thought he had gone on long enough so it wasn't just the cops
> > > > > > who
> > > > > thought he
> > > > > > had pushed his limits. Its just one more example of the
> > > > > > current
> > > > > generation
> > > > > > pushing the boundries and grownups being unable or unwilling
> > > > > > to
> > draw a
> > > > > line
> > > > > > in manners and behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pat --
> > > > >
> > > > > In what universe is being rude punishable through coercive use
> > > > > of state violence?
> > > > >
> > > > > -- ACS
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