[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

[Warren Hayman]

Thanks for your eye-opening perspective, Pat. Remind me to re-read 
Leviticus!

Warren Hayman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered


> On this kids web site he has other occasions when he has 'diturbed the
> peace' and asked for all he got. His mic had been turned off by someone 
> who
> thought he had gone on long enough so it wasn't just the cops who thought 
> he
> had pushed his limits. Its just one more example of the current generation
> pushing the boundries and grownups being unable or unwilling to draw a 
> line
> in manners and behavior.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>
>
> I don't know what to think about this.  I'm usually one to jump on the
> authorities in cases like this, but now after watching the video on
> youtube (for some reason the video link in the story didn't work for
> me), I'm unsure.
>
> I think the police, which I assume were campus security, were a little
> quick to try to remove him from the microphone and from the room.  I
> think that much of what he did at the end was theatrics.  I'm sorry, but
> when the police are moving you physically from the room (rightly or
> wrongly), you don't resist, you don't keep acting less and less calm,
> and you don't stupidly keep telling them "not to tazer me, man".  You
> comply, and you fight it in court.  When they have you on the ground and
> you won't give them an arm for the handcuffs they have only a limited
> number of options.  Physical force which can result in a dislocated
> shoulder, bruises, etc, or the tazer.
>
> Kerry did say that he would answer the question, and that they needn't
> do what they were doing.  He mumbles, yes, but I did hear him say that.
> It's not like he answered the question by waving at the cops to take him
> away.
>
> I've also read elsewhere that the person involved (I forget his name)
> was well-known for these kinds of things.  He likes to show up in public
> places and disrupt things.  I suppose the campus cops would think of him
> as an "agitator".  Many of the other students apparently think of him as
> a kook.
>
> I am convinced that if he simply allowed them to remove him he wouldn't
> have been tazered.  They waited until he was on the ground and still
> thrashing around and acting up and warned him that they would use the
> tazer several times.  I think the police should review their rules for
> removing people from microphones at public events, but after they made
> the decision to remove him they didn't appear to me to use force until
> they had to.
>
> That's not to say that the "tazer problem" (i.e. using it in situations
> when it shouldn't be used because it is non-lethal) isn't a real
> problem.  I just don't feel much sympathy for this guy.  He got his
> point out there.  Call it a win and sit back down, or let the cops lead
> you out of the room with something of your dignity left intact.
>
> Paul
>
> Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
>> http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09192007.html
>>
>> Above is the address of an article about a speech yesterday by John 
>> Kerry.
>> A student gets up and asks a question (quoting from a book I've mentioned
>> here) and ends up getting grabbed by police officers and tasered in front
> of
>> the crowd while Kerry drones on.  It's truly bizarre; the video link at
> the
>> end of the article shows it all happening.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
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