[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Sun Sep 16 13:26:26 PDT 2007

OK t, I'll try this one last time and slow it way down for you. We can't be taking "the next step" when it's clear that lesson one has not been properly integrated.

1. Property used for church related activities will be tax exempt whether it's downtown, mid-town, or on the outskirts of our little burg.

2. Property in the CBD is not taxed at a different rate than property anywhere else. The tax loss is the same whether it's downtown, mid-town, or on the outskirts of our little burg.

3. Property owned by a church that is NOT used for church related activities IS taxed, just the same as all other similar properties such as the others that are downtown, mid-town, or on the outskirts of our little burg. A prime example of this would be the space occupied by the restaurant in the NSA building.

4. Property owned by church members that is not used for church related activities is taxed, just the same as all other similar properties such as the others that are downtown, mid-town, or on the outskirts of our little burg. Examples of this would include Bucer's, Hall Closet, and the former Goodwill location. All owned by local hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizens.

5. Having dozens of under utilized buildings is an expense that no small church can afford. Simply from a maintenance stand point it would make no sense to have them lay fallow. This should calm your fears that a local ministry will buy up all of the CBD and eliminate Moscow's tax base.

Thank you for your time, you may now go back to posting photos of the same signs we all drive past every day.

g
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Hansen 
  To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020' 
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:56 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

  Very, very good, g -

  Now, let's move on to the next step, ok?

  The key word in central business district is BUSINESS. And, yes, I am going to "fall back" (as you say) on the "T" word (taxes).  

  Businesses located in the central business district paying taxes.  That is what helps a community grow.  NOT tax-exempt churches, schools, etc. etc., all managed by the same piss ant group of sock puppets with nothing better to do than whine about ever-increasing property taxes that become the burden of local hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding proprietors.

  As much as I would love to sit here and explain reality to you, there is an election coming up and I have miles to go before I sleep.

  Seeya round town, Moscow.

  Tom Hansen
  Moscow, Idaho

  "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

  - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 

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  From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:26 AM
  To: Tom Hansen; 'Pat Kraut'; 'vision2020'
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

  Question, th

  Of all the property in the central business district, what percent is owned by CC? One percent? Maybe two? 

  Lets follow your query to its logical end. CC owns fifty to sixty percent of the CBD. So what? Please don't fall back on the property tax issue since we all know that church property, used for church purposes will be tax exempt no matter where it is, downtown or elsewhere. If it's owned by the church or its members and used for commercial purposes it will be taxed the same as any other parcel. 

  With this being the case, why would it matter if they were to own every square inch of downtown Moscow? What exactly would be the down side? The maddening rectal itch you might receive from such a turn of events really doesn't count.

  g

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Tom Hansen 

    To: 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020' 

    Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 6:50 AM

    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

    Question, PK -

    Of ALL the churches of ALL the countries throughout the world, which ONE owns (and is buying up) property in the central business district of Moscow, Idaho?

    Seeya round town, Moscow.

    Tom Hansen
    Moscow, Idaho

    "I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church.  If I found out that a member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his reputation, yes, he'd be disciplined."

    - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)

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    From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
    Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:19 PM
    To: vision2020
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

      And, I would ask if you are aware of how much property is owned by groups or individuals in this area that have nothing to do with CC? The catholic church? The Mormons? The whoever?? This is persecution of one group against whom you have a personal vendetta and has nothing to do with the community as a whole...get over it! 07 11:45 AM

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Hansen 
  To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020' 
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:56 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

  Very, very good, g -