[Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Tue Oct 30 16:25:20 PDT 2007

Saundra,

Again you and I have common ground. Anti growth is not the proper term to win hearts and minds. That guy with a sign though, I believe is not affiliated with anyone but his church. His actions should not be held accountable to the GMA or Toadies as you call it.

Have a good one 

Matt

From: sslund at roadrunner.com
To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:12:06 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Hi Again Matt,

In part, you wrote:

“I
would just like to see a civil election. One that BOTH sides can feel proud of.”

I was really hopeful that would happen as well, but that was
before I saw the GMA ads painting our current leadership as “anti-growth” 
L 
Clearly, a civil campaign and election are not what the GMAers (read “gamers”)
want since they crossed the line first and have consistently continued to cross
it.

Besides, do you really think they do their candidates – or
this community – any favors with their chronic over-simplification of
important issues?  I don’t.

I suppose this will be an election where in the aftermath we
look to see who stooped lower than low, and so far, Glasebrook and his toadies take
the cake by far.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****

From: Matt Decker
[mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:53 PM

To: Saundra Lund; 'Mark Solomon'; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Moscow Vision 2020'

Subject: RE: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Saundra,

Sorry to hear you say that. I have though. I recently publicly gave an apology
to a member of MCA whom I wronged. I have mentioned that MCA is not
anti-growth. Also Joes and Garys conversations, I have seen go overboard, which
I also disapproved of. I am not perfect however. 

I would just like to see a civil election. One that BOTH sides can feel proud
of.

Take care

Matt

From: sslund at roadrunner.com

To: msolomon at moscow.com; mattd2107 at hotmail.com; thansen at moscow.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:01:51 -0700

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Hi Matt and Mark,

Matt, I absolutely agree with Mark:  please quit singling
out only those you disagree with to receive your slaps on the hand while
remaining mute on the truly deplorable tactics of those with whom you share
more political views.  It’s unseemly, it hurts your credibility, and
it’s downright unfair.

IOW, quit being part of the problem and start being part
of the solution!

For those who’ve not seen the Trib’s coverage of
Moscow’s latest Kirker whack job:

Dave Glasebrook, holding the yellow sign, staged a campaign protest and
triggered a 

counter-protest
at the corner of Main and Third streets in downtown Moscow on Monday evening.

 Moscow city politics
take a turn for the personal

Sign-wielding
protester takes aim at three incumbents and draws response from wife of one
candidate and councilor

By David
Johnson 

Tuesday,
October 30, 2007

MOSCOW -
The campaign for city council here took what some were calling a tawdry turn
Monday evening when a Moscow man displayed a sign alleging bigotry against
three incumbents.

"This
is a Christian protest, not a vote protest," Dave Glasebrook said.
"My big problem is that here in Moscow there's been 20 years' worth of
strife with Doug Wilson and Christ Church."

Standing on
the sidewalk at the intersection of Main and Third streets, Glasebrook carried
a yellow sign that read: "Vote the Bigot Party - Ament, Lamar, Pall."
He said the slogan was a sarcastic way to raise public awareness.

Aaron
Ament, Tom Lamar and Linda Pall are incumbents running for re-election.
Glasebrook claimed the three are part of a continued campaign by city
government to harass Wilson, his church and New Saint Andrews College located
in downtown Moscow.

"If I
stand up and say Christian men in America need to get on their knees and pray
in order to change how America is, in order to change what's going on in
Moscow, Lewiston and Idaho, people won't understand that," Glasebrook
said.

So he
decided to take to the street with his sign, attracting the attention of
motorists and pedestrians including Lamar's wife, Aly Lamar, who stopped to
mount a counter-demonstration.

"I'm
here because I was riding my bicycle home on Main Street and I saw Dave holding
this sign and it really took me by surprise that he was calling my husband, as
well as other candidates, a bigot," Lamar said, explaining she returned
with one of her husband's campaign signs to stand next to Glasebrook.

Aly Lamar
said Glasebrook told her a number of reasons for his protest that boiled down
to claiming her husband voted with Ament and Pall on various issues against
Wilson, Christ Church and NSA. "So I discussed that with him a little bit,
and got worked up and started crying and frustrated and wanted to do
something." After realizing she and Glasebrook couldn't agree, Lamar said
she decided to go on the offensive.

"So I
thought if he's going to have signs and visit with passers-by saying Tom is a
bigot I wanted to be here to let them know, in fact, that Tom is not a
bigot," Lamar said.

Glasebrook
claimed Ament, in particular, overtly tried to force NSA out of the downtown
area. He said he was staging the protest on his own, not for or at the behest
of Wilson, or anyone associated with Christ Church or NSA. "This is to
open people's eyes, saying look at the bigotry in Moscow. Look at what's going
on." He said the city council is "not getting after the Muslims"
or any other faith, and that amounts to religious bigotry.

"I
just hope God will use this sign and do something," Glasebrook said.
"I can't change Aaron's heart. I can't make him do something. I can't
convince Tom to do something. But I can get on my knees and I can pray that God
will lead them to make right decisions, not just decisions that are working
against one group of Christians in town."

Ament
showed up and offered a terse take on Glasebrook's protest. "I think of
the two of us, the one that's guilty (of bigotry) is the one holding the
sign," Ament said. "My major crime is that I don't tolerate
intolerance and that's what I've been hung with. And I will never tolerate
intolerance."

Pall could
not be reached for comment.

---

Johnson
may be contacted at 

deveryone at potlatch.com
or (208) 883-0564.

JMHO,

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Mark Solomon

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:04 AM

To: Matt Decker; Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Matt,

Up
until Doug and Dave's antics of yesterday, I would have agreed with you. Until
I hear GMA and their candidates disavow Doug and Dave's approach to elections
in Moscow then the show fits. Sadly.

m.

At
6:55 AM -0700 10/30/07, Matt Decker wrote:

Tom,

Any time you want to stick with the facts and quit the smear tactics would be
great.

Matt

From:
thansen at moscow.com

To: vision2020 at moscow.com

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:30:34 -0700

Subject: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Seeya
round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

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