[Vision2020] UI not having anti-Islam event

[pkraut at moscow.com]

Well since it is obvious you do not listen you can be wrong about all 
conservative talk radio. I hear far more truth and construtive thoughts 
there than I have ever heard from you and others on this list or from some 
in congress. No it isn't all muslims nor is all christians nor is it all 
of any group but you won't learn that reading the newspapers or watching 
CNN, CBS, NBC or....give Sean a chance you could learn something.
> 
> It is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide wish no
harm>  on anyone else; neither do they wish to be harmed by religious 
bigotry
and>  fanaticism.  I'm reasonably sure, Pat, that you haven't gleaned these
non-> hysterical, obvious truths by listening to Rush, or Sean, or Glenn, 
or
Laur> a, or Lars, or Ann, or any of the other peddlers of xenophobic
polarization>  on your AM dial.  Could it be that some clearheaded 
reasoning has somehow
> leaked into your diet of radio vitriol?
> 
> keely
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
> > From: pkraut at moscow.com
> > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:13:58 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI not having anti-Islam event
> > 
> > Obviously Andreas does not listen to Rush or Sean or anything that
would>  
> > give him true knowledge of what they say about Islam. There are groups 
> > such as Al Quida that are mean to everyone and I do mean Everyone. 
They 
> > are not truly peaceful, kind or following Islam and the muslims world
wid> e 
> > know this. Muslims world wide are being held up for hate because these 
> > groups are killing women, children and anyone who does not agree with
the> m 
> > with great joy. Most followers of Islam are not willing to start
killing>  
> > anyone and everyone just because they are not muslim but these radical 
> > groups are and must be stopped for everyones peace. They have meetings 
> > wherein they teach and pray for the end of the Great Satan, (USA) and
an>  
> > end to Israel and I mean an end at whatever cost. I wonder if 
> > the 'palistians' realize that if they are in the way when the nuclear 
> > bombs start dropping that the radicals won't care?? Anyway, some
students>  
> > at WSU want to show a film that shows this side of the story but some
in>  
> > the democratic party do not want the movie to be shown. They belive in 
> > a 'peace in our time' philosophy. They think we can talk to 
> > them...remember 1930, England, Germany, etc? So once again we have 
> > Chambelain making peace at all cost and Bush drawing a line and saying
NO> ! 
> > but much sooner than was done in 1940. Who is right? I suppose we will 
> > have to wait longer (but not much) and see what history tells us...but
I>  
> > realize that if this is the first time you have heard this term you are
a>  
> > great example of those who have their head in the sand do not realize
how>  
> > important this all is to our peace and civilization. I do not want to
be>  
> > rude but the radicals want to change our world dramatically and they 
do 
> > not care who gets hurt in the process. Now I am sure that there will 
be 
> > many responses to this email but please start paying more attention to 
> > world events. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Bruce --
> > > 
> > > Sure.
> > > 
> > > "Islamo-fascism" is the right-wing's preferred term for what 
everyone 
> > else
> > > calls "Islamism." It covers everything from moderate Islamic parties 
in
> > > Turkey to the Muslim Brotherhood to Iran's government to al-Qaida. 
It's
> > > generally invoked as the "next great threat" to the United State, 
or, 
> > even
> > > more hyperbolically, "the greatest threat America has ever faced." 
In 
> > other
> > > words, it's sloppy thinking and bad scholarship in pursuit of 
another 
> > idiot
> > > war.
> > > 
> > > "Islamo-fascism Awareness Week" was the brainchild of David 
Horowitz, a
> > > conservative gadfly whose main selling point is that he was once a 
> > hardcore
> > > leftist. Since thin, he has traded in his extraordinary credulity in
> > > believing leftist hoaxes for an extraordinary credulity in believing
> > > right-wing hoaxes.
> > > 
> > > "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" is along those lines. Its purpose is 
to
> > > expose the collusion between academic liberals and al-Qaida,
presumably>  
> > to
> > > create an transnational communist caliphate which strictly enforces 
> > sharia
> > > law and allows gay marriage.
> > > 
> > > -- ACS
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 10/23/07, Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  I noted that there was something being sponsored by a Young
Republic> an
> > > > club at WSU recently, something about Islamo-fascism, and I have 
not
> > > > understood what that was.  Now I note this article in the UI paper,
t> he
> > > > Argonaut.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.uiargonaut.com/content/view/4683/48/
> > > >
> > > > Not having read much if anything about the so-called "Islamo-
fascist"
> > > > movement, I wonder whether the Islamo-fascist movement has been
> > > > mis-representing Islam and tarring the entire religion with the
acts>  
> > of an
> > > > extreme faction?  This story in the Argonaut makes me think that 
is 
> > what has
> > > > been happening, but the story does not say specify the message of
hat> e 
> > that
> > > > the opposers of "Islamo-fascism" are promulgating.  I would like 
to 
> > hear
> > > > more about this from people who surely have followed this issue
much>  
> > more
> > > > closely than I.
> > > >
> > > > I am curious about what is going on with this issue, as I have 
only 
> > heard
> > > > this term "Islamo-fascism" in the last several weeks, other than 
> > seeing the
> > > > term in a book review that I did not read closely about a year 
ago. 
> I
> > > > assume from the very little I have read about "Islamo-fascism" that
t> he
> > > > announced aim of the Islamo-fascist movement is to 
> > address/publicize/oppose
> > > > those who practice terrorism in the name of the Islamic religion --
 
> > the Bin
> > > > Laden/Al Queda/Taliban camp.  But it seems, based on the story in 
the
> > > > Argonaut, that much more is going on than that, and that good
Muslims>  
> > are
> > > > being caught in the overbroad net aimed at the terrorists by those
wh> o
> > > > oppose/head-up the "Oppose Islamo-fascism" movement.  As I
understand>  
> > the
> > > > statements of the Al Quaeda/Bin Laden terrorists, they practice a
for> m 
> > of
> > > > Islam that is anti-thetical to the vast majority of the Islamic
world> ,
> > > > killing in the name of religion but without the approval of most of
t> he
> > > > Muslim world.  Essentially, as I understand it, the terrorist, so-
> > called "Al
> > > > Quaeda" wing of Islam mis-represents and mis-uses Islam as it is 
> > understood
> > > > by the vast majority of Muslims.
> > > >
> > > > Am I correct in assuming that the Islamo-fascist movement is 
> > castigating
> > > > all/most Muslims, rather than the small minority of terrorist 
sects 
> > that are
> > > > murdering in the name of Islam, while violating Islamic law?   Are 
> > there any
> > > > on this list who might elaborate on this issue for me?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Livingston
> > > >
> > > >   Written by Jessica Mullins - Argonaut     Tuesday, 23 October 
2007
> > > >
> > > > *Community members gather against movement*
> > > >
> > > > Palouse community members organized events and spread information 
in
> > > > response to this week's national "Islamo-Fascism
> > > > Awareness Week."
> > > >
> > > > The movement is intended to promote hostility and hate toward
Muslims> ,
> > > > Arabs ands people who resemble them, said retired University of 
Idaho
> > > > economics professor Ghazi Ghazanfar. "The whole idea is to create
mor> e 
> > hate
> > > > and demonize the religion and people," Ghazanfar said. "This is a
> > > > systematic, well-organized effort in the country."
> > > >
> > > > The week, part of a "terrorism awareness project," is sponsored by
th> e
> > > > David Horowitz Freedom Center.  Activities are planned at nearly
100>  
> > U.S.
> > > > universities including Washington State University, but none at 
> > UI.  "The
> > > > movement is unfortunately all over the place," said Andy Neukranz-
> > Butler,
> > > > UI's human rights compliance officer.  The Web site,
> > > > www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism, says the protest is to 
> > confront
> > > > the two "big lies of the political left": that President George W.
Bu> sh
> > > > created the war on terror and that global warming is a greater
Americ> an
> > > > danger than the terrorism threat.
> > > >
> > > > In light of the movement, UI President Tim White re-released the UI
> > > > civility statement on Oct. 11 to "raise to top-of-mind" UI civility
> > > > expectations.  The civility statement acknowledges everyone comes
fro> m
> > > > different backgrounds and supports the discussion of different
points>  
> > of
> > > > view in a civilized manner, Neukranz-Butler said.  The statement 
says
> > > > "expressions of hate and intolerance meant to discriminate against 
> > entire
> > > > groups are beneath the ideals that we aspire to at the University 
of
> > > > Idaho."
> > > >
> > > > While there are no events planned at UI, organizers wanted to
prepare> ,
> > > > just in case.  "We want to be proactive to include people in
communit> y
> > > > discussion," Neukranz-Butler said. "We would hope things wouldn't
get>  
> > out of
> > > > hand."   While debate is important, it shouldn't include hateful 
or 
> > fighting
> > > > words, she said.  "Obviously, good debate is what we want. We just 
> > want to
> > > > do it in a respectful manner," she said. "We want to create an 
> > environment
> > > > where we can talk about it."   The civility statement is 
appropriate
> to
> > > > combat feelings of threats, said Rula Awwad-Rafferty, UI faculty
and>  
> > JUNTURA
> > > > committee chair.
> > > >
> > > > The WSU College Republicans will show the film "Obsession" on 
> > Wednesday.
> > > > "The film has a lot of nasty things to say about the Muslim
religion,> "
> > > > Neukranz-Butler said. The film doesn't encourage constructive 
> > discussion,
> > > > she said.  Palouse community members, including Neukranz-Butler,
> > > > Awwad-Rafferty and Ghazanfar, met and organized events and ads to
run>  
> > in
> > > > local newspapers in response to the week.  "Regardless of your 
> > political
> > > > orientation or religious orientation, I think knowledge is power
and>  
> > it is
> > > > important to question information and go to try to find other
sources> ,"
> > > > Awwad-Rafferty said.
> > > >
> > > > The efforts in response to the awareness week focus on the unity of
t> he
> > > > community.  "We all stand together," Awwad-Rafferty said. "If it
hurt> s
> > > > someone in the community it hurts us all. We combat stereotypes 
> > because we
> > > > believe they hurt all of us no matter where they come from."  
Awwad-
> > Rafferty
> > > > said it is nice how the community came together against the 
> > movement.  "I
> > > > don't think hatred ought to be tolerated anywhere," Awwad-Rafferty 
> > said.
> > > > "But you don't fight hatred with hatred."
> > > >
> > > > The Islamic community at UI is growing, Ghazanfar said. Since Sept.
1> 1
> > > > more Muslims are returning to the U.S. There are more than 25 
Islamic
> > > > faculty members, he said.  Movements such as this week are 
extremely
> > > > counterproductive as far recruiting foreign students, especially
from>  
> > the
> > > > Islamic world, Ghazanfar said.  "We are doing everything possible 
and
> > > > organizing things on campus to create more harmony and unity," he 
> > said, "but
> > > > a group is here to create exclusiveness."  The movement is 
> > inflammatory and
> > > > has incorrect information, Awwad-Rafferty said.  "It is important
to>  
> > assure
> > > > everybody they will not be harmed," Awwad-Rafferty said. "The fear
of>  
> > being
> > > > harmed is, in my opinion, equivalent to being harmed."
> > > >
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