[Vision2020] Water Concern?
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 20 16:28:16 PDT 2007
Bill,
Since I have 10-15 GMA members one of the running for council,one in council, as customers, I doubt them not wanting a sprinkler in all parks would be a problem. Why Bill, most of these evil GMA members are practicing water conservation. Also, Lambert is one of the leaders along with Ament, in helping conserve our resource.
For the record GMA candidates do want conservation, they just don't believe water will be depleted in 10 years like some would like us to believe. Don't believe me, watch the video at the last forum. Try to do it with open ears.
Matt
From: london at moscow.com
To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com; jampot at roadrunner.com; jeanlivingston at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; msolomon at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:46:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
M-
Installing water saving devices (like sprinklers in parks)
is fine with me.
Do you think the 3 GMA candidates who doubt that water
conservation is needed will agree with us on that one?
BL
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From:
Matt
Decker
To: Bill London ; g.
crabtree ; Bruce and Jean Livingston ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Mark Solomon
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:32
PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?
Bill,
Wouldn't it be better for our unknown water
situation to then install automatic systems in these parks, saving 30% water?
I know it costs money, but let's make it a
priority.
Matt
From: london at moscow.com
To: jampot at roadrunner.com; jeanlivingston at turbonet.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com; msolomon at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 20
Oct 2007 13:04:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
Before accusing the city of Moscow of massive
hypocracy in watering parkland, perhaps you should discuss this issue with
the parks department people.
I did.
Their reason for watering the grass is
safety and liability. Dry playfields are less "bouncy" than green
lawns. Kids get hurt more playing on dry grass than on green
grass.
So, the parks department opts for
safety.
BL
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From:
g. crabtree
To:
Bruce and Jean
Livingston ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Mark Solomon
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
Interesting. If the incumbent candidates you
favor are so concerned (and "responsible") with water usage in Moscow,
unlike their challengers, why did the city of Moscow not follow its own
regulations for lawn watering? The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall
sure received more than its fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view
and east city park. Why do they continually favor the dedication of
additional park land? Land which, like the golf course in Pullman, will
require huge amounts of water to maintain. I have not heard the candidates
your organization endorses make any resolutions to address the water
issues in Moscow other than in the form of anti-growth anti-business
rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have a green lawn and an
aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply the same
standard to city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 bldg.
excepted, of course.) I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are
concerned the water issue is a tool first and a genuine concern a distant
second.
g
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From:
Bruce and Jean
Livingston
To:
g. crabtree ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Mark Solomon
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
Gary says, while discussing Mark's suggestion that
the Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis mode in 15-20
years:
"Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120
years? Could be we really don't know
for sure? Could be that
Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle
on the water
situation as any of the MCA candidates do."
Not so, Gary. The GMA candidates are
"ostriches" with their collective heads in the sand. And they are
very poor stewards of the environment.
I think if you follow the usage curves for when
the Wanapum got depleted once before, our current usage curves
and increase in number of wells going dry shows that we are
going down the same path and very likely going to be facing the "crisis"
referenced by Mark in about 15-20 years (not the century or more
that you speculate) -- unless we do something to curb usage of the
Wanapum. We had to do this once before, more than 40 years
ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the Wanapum in the City of
Moscow because the Wanapum was going dry. We (City of
Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started pumping
it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to re-charge. We
started drawing on the Wanapum again, more recently (80s?),
and the usage is tracking what went on in the first half to mid-20th
century.
I have several nearby friends within a mile of
Moscow whose wells have gone dry this year. It is fact, not a
mirage or doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA candidates to learn
from history while they watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable.
I would suggest that it shows just how foolhardy they are, and I
really get a kick out of those GMA PAC ads showing swimmers
splashing around in lots of water, while their candidates essentially
say "use more and grow green lawns," and "don't worry about
frittering it away; since Pullman is, we should too."
That race to consume, just like WSU's decision to
throw 50 million gallons on a golf course, is environmentally
irresponsible conduct of a very high order. GMA candidates don't
chastise Pullman for that; they instead assert that we shouldn't bother
to conserve and not have green lawns, since they're not conserving
across the border in Pullman and at WSU.
I'll take the more responsible attitude of the MCA
candidates. No surprise there, of course.
We'll watch out for our water. We'll
protect property rights and value in doing so, while protecting
neighborhoods and encouraging development that creates real jobs that
drive an economy, not just retail and housing.
http://www.moscowcivic.org/
And we will continue to do responsible things that
are good for the City of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms
strip mining project, unlike the GMA.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Mark
Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33
PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?
>I assume the
statement that includes "...regarding
> the upper aquifer which if
continued to be pumped at current levels could be
> in crisis as
soon as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave
>
room for the obvious corollary?
>
> Could be 50-75 years,
could be 115-120 years? Could be we really don't know
> for sure?
Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle
> on the water situation as any of the MCA candidates do.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark
Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>
>
To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>;
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Water Concern?
>
>
>> I'd suggest
the GMA candidates do some homework and actually read
>> some
of the studies/reports on our aquifer, particularly
regarding
>> the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped
at current levels
>> could be in crisis as soon as 15-20 years
from now. That aquifer
>> currently supplies 30% of Moscow's
water.
>>
>> m.
>>
>> At 11:51 AM
-0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:
>>> >From the
Johnson article noted above:
>>>
>>>"I think
it's been used as a way to stop growth in our town and
I
>>>don't think that's a great idea," Carscallen said of
the water issue.
>>>
>>>"We don't have a water
emergency. I think most of us can agree to
>>>that," said
Krauss. "We could have, at the least, 200 years of
water
>>>left. ... But right now, folks, I'm just really
tired of seeing all
>>>our yards just burned up, including
the cemetery."
>>>
>>>"I know that there are
people who believe that we should be
>>>showering with
5-gallon buckets, to flush our toilets with when we
>>>get
through," said Steed. "And I really don't want to live that
way."
>>>
>>>Carscallen, Krauss and Ste! ed are
all endorsed by the
GMA.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Joe
Campbell
>>
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