[Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN (post oops)

Wed Oct 17 10:07:00 PDT 2007

Joe
For the most part , Gary is referring to your positions. That may is some cases include making fun of them. You do the same to his, which is fine. He does not usually resort to personal attacks. Lets knock off the name calling, it is  unbecoming of a philosophy and logic professor.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:43:50 -0700
To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN (post oops)

> Dear Jackass,
> 
> I've stop engaging in conversations with you for awhile now. Which is not to say that I won't point out your bad arguments or take the time to note that you're a jackass!
> 
> All I'm doing is pointing out that you like to pick and choose which part of our previous conversations and that it isn't an accident.
> 
> You've adopted the rhetorical style of your local Pastor friend, pure and simple. Look at the subject heading. It doesn't matter what to topic is, eventually it always comes back to me!
> 
> You're a jackass!
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Don't know what happened there, lets try again.
> 
> Since the bulk of your post is the same old poor Joe nonsense, I'll simply 
> make a few points and let this go for now
> 
> Point 1. Dale and I are not living in one another's pockets. I do my thing
> and he does his. I do occasionally post to his site and I do occasionally
> (rarely) reprint something from his site to the V. We do not co-ordinate or
> collude in any way other then that and we make it plain where the words are
> coming from when we do. If you have a problem with something on Dale's site,
> talk to him. If it appears over my name I'll answer for it.
> 
> Point 2. Congratulations, you have graduated from buffoon to liar. That I 
> "CHALLENGED" you to come to my place of employment is prevarication at its 
> finest. I challenge you to release that private E-mail along with any of 
> yours leading up to it or following it. Rest assure that with your 
> permission (or for clarification should you fail to provide the complete 
> picture) I am only too willing to post the contents of my deleted items file 
> where they concern any of my off-line dealings with you.
> 
> No surprise that you don't want to answer questions and the part about no 
> longer engaging in conversation I've heard from you many times before. Like 
> a bad penny you always come back.
> 
> g
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> 
> 
> Crabtree,
> 
> You are deliberately misconstruing and mischaracterizing my views.
> 
> I never said that my BELIEFS were ambiguous. It is my words that are 
> deliberately
> ambiguous. This is because they often appear out of context and on the 
> website of your
> friend, Dale -- a website where people openly post thoughts about the 
> justifiable killing
> of gays. You don't want to discuss issues with me. You want to create 
> opportunities
> where my views are deliberately misrepresented and publicly ridiculed.
> 
> More examples?
> 
> You keep repeating the lie that I favor abortion, another lie that is 
> repeated on Dale’s
> website. I've addressed this issue on a number of occasions in town crier 
> columns and on
> these pages but you ignore these words. Legal distinctions are deliberately 
> cast as moral
> distinctions; knowledge is conflated with belief.
> 
> I sent you a private e-mail that is not posted on Dale's blog. It is not 
> possible for me to
> make a point without Dale bringing it up. Does he bring up the fact that I 
> quickly
> apologized? Or that recently you INVITED me, CHALLENGED me to come to your
> place of work when I asked you to meet with me? These are never mentioned.
> 
> I'd be happy to discuss the matter in more detail if you'd give me some 
> sense that your
> goal was to understand my view and not ridicule it in public. As long as I 
> get
> mischaracterized, I won’t engage with you in conversation, won’t answer your 
> questions.
> 
> Which is not to say that I won’t point out your fallacious arguments!
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> =============
> And what exactly would be your point here, Mr. Moffett? The comment I made 
> did not express any opinion good or bad about religious ambiguity. That was 
> left for the reader to determine. The point I was making in the original 
> post was that Mr. Campbell was in no position to determine how I might feel 
> about any given topic were I Jewish (or black, or female, or homosexual, 
> etc.) as was his assertion. Aside from the absurdity of such speculation (If 
> a fish had feet instead of flippers, how would he feel about formal 
> footwear?) I'm fairly certain that I am ever so slightly more expert in all 
> that is me then most others can be. Philosophy teachers included.
> 
> g
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Ted Moffett
>   To: Joe Campbell
>   Cc: g. crabtree ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Donovan Arnold
>   Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:34 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> 
> 
>   Gary wrote:
> 
>     I don't recall making any comment as to whether I believed your 
> assertion of being a Christian or not and I certainly make no judgment with 
> regard to your level of commitment to whatever it is you do believe but,It 
> certainly seems to me that reasonable people could come to the conclusion 
> that you are disposed toward a certain religious ambiguity.
> 
>     g
> 
>   If Mother Teresa (Agnes Bojaxhiu), winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, can 
> have moments of doubt about God, faith and religion, so can anybody who 
> professes belief about anything:
> 
>   http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html
> 
>   "...the Teresa of the letters lived in a state of deep and abiding 
> spiritual pain. In more than 40 communications, many of which have never 
> before been published, she bemoans the "dryness," "darkness," "loneliness" 
> and "torture" she is undergoing. She compares the experience to hell and at 
> one point says it has driven her to doubt the existence of heaven and even 
> of God."
> 
>   "The church anticipates spiritually fallow periods. Indeed, the Spanish 
> mystic St. John of the Cross in the 16th century coined the term the "dark 
> night" of the soul to describe a characteristic stage in the growth of some 
> spiritual masters. Teresa's may be the most extensive such case on record. 
> (The "dark night" of the 18th century mystic St. Paul of the Cross lasted 45 
> years; he ultimately recovered.) Yet Kolodiejchuk sees it in St. John's 
> context, as darkness within faith. Teresa found ways, starting in the early 
> 1960s, to live with it and abandoned neither her belief nor her work. 
> Kolodiejchuk produced the book as proof of the faith-filled perseverance 
> that he sees as her most spiritually heroic act."
>   ------------
>   Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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