[Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Pat Kraut pkraut at moscow.com
Fri Oct 12 21:53:46 PDT 2007 

Sayes you! I only passed on something that a lot of people are reading
today...your wasting you time is not my problem.



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From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: <pkraut at moscow.com>
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN


Pat --

The first half of that is a real commentary. The second half is
fabricated nonsense. Please fact-check before wasting the rest of our
time.

-- ACS

On 10/12/07, pkraut at moscow.com <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> This is making the rounds and this seems like a good spot to let you all
> in on the POV.
>
>
> Subject: Very Realistic Point of View
>
> The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday
> Morning Commentary.
>
>
> My confession:
>
> I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. � And it
> does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit
> up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel
> discriminated against. That's what they are: � Christmas trees.
>
> It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I
> don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto.
> In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters
> celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that
> there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach
> house in Malibu. If people want a crche, it's just as fine with me as is
> the Menorah a few hundred yards away .
>
> I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think
> Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people
> who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I
> have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly
> atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it
> being shoved down my throat.
>
> Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we
> should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we
> understand Him? � I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. �
> But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came
> from and where the America we knew went to.
>
> In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a
> little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's
> intended to get you thinking.
>
> Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
> asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding
> Katrina) � Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful
> response.
> She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but
> for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of
> our government and to get out of our lives. � And being the gentleman He
> is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us
> His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
>
> In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I
> think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body
> found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we
> said OK.
> Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says
> thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as
> yourself. And we said OK.
>
> Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
> misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might
> damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
> expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
>
> Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
> don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
> strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
>
> Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
> I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."
>
> Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the
> world's going to hell. � Funny how we believe what the newspapers say,
> but question what the Bible says. �Funny how you can send 'jokes'
> through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending
> messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. � Funny
> how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through
> cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
> workplace.
>
> Are you laughing?
>
> Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on
> your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they
> will think of you for sending it.
>
> Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than
> what God thinks of us.
>
> Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no
> one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit
> back and complain about what bad shape the world is in. � My Best
> Regards.
> Honestly and respectfully,
>
> Ben Stein
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > All-
> >
> > Ann Coulter's books sell big time... She's laughing all the way to the
> > bank.  Carl Westberg is right on the money (no pun intended) about
> Coulter
> > being "pure show business."  The more outrageous her comments, the more
> > publicity.  It's so obvious she's deliberately aiming to upset people
> with
> > extreme political incorrectness.
> >
> > What is disturbing is that many people really believe what she
advocates.
> > Millions do believe that the US would be better off if we were all
> > Christians.  Correct?  What is more shocking than Coulter's comments, is
> > that she is supported by a sizable fan base.  She definitely speaks to a
> > large percentage of the US public that admires her frank expression of
> view> s
> > that they sympathize with.
> >
> > She is merely a symptom of a much broader problem in US society.
> >
> > Ted Moffett
> >
> > On 10/12/07, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > This is the same Ann Coulter who dated Joseph Guccione, publisher of
> that
> > > paragon of Christian virtue, Penthouse magazine.  Miz Coulter is a
> nutcas> e,
> > > and I think the orderlies need to find stronger straps.
> > >
> > > keely
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > To: joekc at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:59 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> > >
> > > Ann Coulter is totally nuts!  "Perfected"?  "Fast Track"?  What is
> > > that!!!!???  Who buys this stuff?
> > >
> > > J :]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700
> > > > From: joekc at adelphia.net
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> > > >
> > > > Conservative commentator and best-selling author Ann Coulter may
find
> > > herself in the midst of a controversy for comments Monday suggesting
> Amer> ica
> > > would be better if everyone was Christian.
> > > >
> > > > Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch what the U.S. looks like in her
> dreams> ,
> > > Coulter said it would look like the Republican National Convention in
> 200> 4
> > > >
> > > > "People were happy," she said, according to a transcript provided to
> CN> N
> > > by CNBC. "They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America."
> > > >
> > > > When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were all
> Christian?"
> > > Coulter said "Yeah."
> > > >
> > > > Deutsch, himself Jewish, continued to press Coulter on her remarks,
> > > asking, "We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be
> Christian> s
> > > then?"
> > > >
> > > > "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a lot easier. It's
kind
> o> f
> > > a fast track."
> > > >
> > > > "You can't possibly believe that," Deutsch responded. "You can't
> > > possibly. You're too educated."
> > > >
> > > > "Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied. "See, we
believe
> > > your religion, but you have to obey. We have the fast track program."
> > > >
> > > > Later in the interview Deutsch asked Coulter if she doesn't want any
> > > Jews in the world, Coulter responded, "No, we think � we just want
> Jews>  to
> > > be perfected, as they say."
> > > >
> > > > "Wow, you didn't really say that, did you," Deutsch said.
> > > >
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