[Vision2020] Are you enabling extremism?

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Is that a reason to invade Iraq?

Sunil


>From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Are you enabling extremism?
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:34:15 GMT
>
>Does it help you to understand if they are both listed as terriorists
>groups by the FBI?
>
>
> > Kai et. al.
> >
> > I think your focus on environmental terrorism is off the main topic of
>this
> > thread, but I will pursue your line of reasoning just a bit, before
>asking
> > you to address my point, made earlier in this thread, that was on topic.
> >
> > I am asking for your documentation of deaths committed by environmental
> > groups in "terrorist" attacks, because I question the veracity of this
>claim
> > that you made.  The ALF is not an environmental group.  The Earth
>Liberation
> > Front is an environmental group.
> >
> > I have not found any documentation that the Earth Liberation Front has
> > killed anyone in a terrorist attack.
> >
> > So I am still asking for your documentation....Given you made the claim,
>you
> > should have an example at hand.  Asking someone else to prove your point
> > with evidence seems rather lame.
> >
> > If you cannot provide it, then just say you cannot provide it...You may
>have
> > good evidence to support your claim.  Please offer it.
> >
> > However, if you really want a logical and fact based dialog on the
>critical
> > focus of this thread, clearly stated by Paul when he started this 
>thread,
> > regarding religious belief promoting extremism, then respond to my post
> > where I raise the specific example of people who promote the idea that
>the
> > Bible or the Koran is the literal absolute word of the creator of the
> > universe, with very questionable evidence this is true, and act on this
> > belief in extreme ways.  I can list numerous examples of those who 
>insist
> > the Bible or the Koran contains the literal word of the creator of the
> > universe, and use this belief to justify numerous ethical harms:
>oppression
> > of women, prejudice against gays, corporal punishment of children, human
> > rights violating applications of the death penalty, to name a few.
> >
> > It seems you are trying to "bait and switch" in this thread, by focusing
>on
> > what you call "environmental terrorism," without being willing to
>document
> > your implication that deaths occurred in such attacks, while ignoring my
> > point about terrorism resulting in deaths committed by religious
>extremists
> > who use their absolute belief in the literal word of God as contained in
>the
> > Bible or Koran, as justification.
> >
> > I will document my claim that people who insist the Bible or the Koran 
>is
> > the literal word of the creator of the universe, sometimes follow this
> > belief resulting in extreme terrorist acts... Or have you forgotten 
>9/11?
> >
> > Ted Moffett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/1/07, Kai Eiselein, editor <editor at lataheagle.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Ted,
> > > I can't believe you've never heard of the Animal Liberation Front
>(ALF) or
> > > the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), both of which engage in attacks
>against
> > > entities they disagree with.  Perhaps you've forgotten the string of
>arsons
> > > that took place from the 90's and into 2001 in Oregon and Washington 
>in
> > > which the ELF claimed responsibility? Or the arrests in 2006 of 
>several
> > > members of ELF in connection with those arsons? Anyone who is willing
>to
> > > torch a building is willing to kill anyone inside.
> > > I must have struck a nerve, since you are making demands rather than
> > > engaging in debate. From your posts about global warming, typhoons and
>such,
> > > I know you are perfectly capable of finding information on the web.
>Quit
> > > feigning ignorance/stupidity, it doesn't become you.
> > > I'll not waste my time digging up information that has been well
> > > publicized and is readily available  just because you demand it.
> > > Debate is the art of point-counter point, Ted. Not demand, counter
>demand.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> > > *To:* Kai Eiselein, editor <editor at lataheagle.com>
> > > *Cc:* Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> ; Paul
>Rumelhart<godshatter at yahoo.com>;
> > > Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2007 12:19 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Are you enabling extremism?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Kai et. al.
> > >
> > > Will you please offer examples of what you call "eco-terrorism,"
>engaged
> > > in by what you described as "on the left are extremist environmental
> > > groups," that have resulted in deliberately caused deaths by "fanatics
> > > willing to kill," as you phrased it, such as a terrorist bombing (a
>road
> > > side IED, or a car bomb, truck bomb, or bombing of a train or bus,
>etc.) of
> > > civilians would inflict?  This is a very serious charge, that should
>not be
> > > made casually..  I am not saying there are not examples of this, just
>asking
> > > you to provide well founded empirical documentation.  Please provide
>the
> > > name of the environmental group, document their affiliation with what
>you
> > > termed "the left" (please explain how you define "the left," and why
> > > they represent "the left," rather than just "left field"), and the
>date and
> > > details of the terrorist attack.
> > >
> > > Ted Moffett
> > > ----
> > > Kai wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >  Most notably on the left are
> > > > extremist environmental groups that engage in eco-terrorism. Using
> > > > Dawkins
> > > > line of reasoning, anyone who is environmentaly friendly could be
>seen
> > > > as
> > > > supportive of eco-terrorism.
> > > > Any belief, taken too far, can result in fanatical zealots willing 
>to
> > > > kill
> > > > anyone opposed to their viewpoint.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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