[Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Fri Nov 30 06:53:12 PST 2007
Sorry if I got that pesky little detail wrong. I guess Dr. Weitz really is a
monster. Imagine, raking in hundreds of cents every decade off the backs of
the poor beleaguered children. And at the meager cost of the buildings
upkeep and property taxes. Simon Legree gots nothing on our hometown horror.
After giving the alternative schools ownership status a moments thought it
should have been obvious to me that the building hadn't been gifted to the
district. If it had most likely the program would have been shut down and
the building sold to fund some higher priority boondoggle such as a few more
administrators or a centrifugal bumble puppy elective for the collage bound.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
To: "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; "'Paul Rumelhart'"
<godshatter at yahoo.com>; "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "'Joe Campbell'" <joekc at adelphia.net>; "'Jerry
Weitz'" <gweitz at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
> Note: I've cc'ed this to the last V2020 address I have for Dr. Weitz.
>
> In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:
> "Dr. Weitz purchased the property and building that is the alternative
> school. He paid to have it made into a facility to serve the needs of a
> decidedly underserved portion of the school district. He graciously gave
> the
> greatly improved parcel to the MSD at no charge."
>
> Hmmm . . . has something changed that I've missed (which is certainly
> possible)? The last I knew, Dr. Weitz retained ownership of the parcel --
> he'd not given it to MSD at all.
>
> Mind you, I'm not wanting to negate Dr. Weitz's generosity in *leasing*
> the
> property to MSD for the paltry sum of $1/year, but, rather, I'm just
> interested in keeping those pesky *facts* straight. Again, if something
> has
> changed, I hope someone will please enlighten me.
>
> I suppose this would also be a good time to reiterate that while I
> *absolutely* support Dr. Weitz's keen interest in *strongly* encouraging
> pro-tech (and, yes, I'd *really* appreciate it if folks would get with
> this
> millennium in using the appropriate terminology) offerings in our
> district,
> I also *absolutely* reject his method. In this narrow instance, I agree
> with his many critics who equate his lawsuit with civic terrorism -- just
> because one has *standing* to sue doesn't meant that one *ought* follow
> that
> course.
>
> Indeed, given his esteemed standing in our community, Dr. Weitz -- more
> than
> many of us wanting to see MSD get with the program with respect to
> pro-tech
> ed -- had many options unavailable to the rest of us to organize a wide
> cross-section of respected community members to bring pressure to bear, so
> to speak, on MSD to Get It that the community expects . . . no, *deserves*
> .
> . . a more robust pro-tech program.
>
> It's a pity, really, that that he didn't take advantage of those many
> options to become a pivotal part of the solution rather than becoming just
> another cog in the wheel in the way of progress, IMHO.
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, Dr. Jerry is my dentist, and my dd
> sees
> Dr. Dusty. I've appreciated Dr. Weitz's interest in and insight into
> education generally, and I really wish he'd have used his influence in a
> more productive fashion rather than the lawsuit. A majority of voters in
> this district have now -- twice -- supported the levy. I can't help but
> think of the benefits the students could have received had: 1) MSD not
> had
> to shell out the money in legal defense and in elections costs, and 2) had
> Dr. Weitz donated directly to a pro-tech course of his choice what's his
> legal fees have cost. Again, I'm *not* interested in negating Dr. Weitz's
> previous generous contributions to our community's children's education .
> .
> . I just really wish he'd have found a better way than his all-around
> money-wasting lawsuit to make his point. <sigh>
>
> Personal note to Dr. Weitz: given our open relationship, I trust you will
> take this response in the spirit with which it's intended.
>
>
> JMHO,
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life
> plus
> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:30 AM
> To: Paul Rumelhart; Donovan Arnold
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; Joe Campbell
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
>
> "I understand from Darrell's email that he was instrumental in getting
> the alternative school started. That's great - I'm glad he succeeded
> there."
>
> Please be aware that "instrumental" was not by way of ranting and railing
> and waving his arms wildly to and froe and not by writing emotionally
> charged
> screeds to V2020. Dr. Weitz purchased the property
> and building that is the alternative school. He paid to have it made into
> a
> facility to serve the needs of a decidedly underserved portion of the
> school
> district. He graciously gave the greatly improved parcel to the MSD at no
> charge.
> His thanks?
>
> "This is not a reasonable, calm, concerned, mature man; this is a bully,
> a professional gadfly, and a bit of an eccentric (she said, understating
> her point in
> the interest of civility).."
>
> Considering the reception his good deeds have garnered you might
> wonder why he still bothers to fight for the needs of the non-collage
> bound student. Despite what you read from MSD employees past and
> present, and others with a vested interest in seeing the status quo
> presented as the pinnacle of success, he still sees a need for improved
> opportunity for a large group of Moscow's kids and puts himself out
> there to see that they get it. What a bastard.
>
> g
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
>
>
>> Then he should keep trying, but not by using methods that are ethically
>> dubious. I don't find fault with his having a vision and wanting to see
>> it through. I don't know that I agree with his vision myself, but it's
>> certainly possible that I would change my mind if good arguments were
>> presented to me on the subject.
>>
>> I understand from Darrell's email that he was instrumental in getting
>> the alternative school started. That's great - I'm glad he succeeded
>> there.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>> Paul ask,
>>>
>>> "Has Dr. Weitz tried the more common sense route of involving himself in
>>>
>>> the machinations of the school district in whatever way a private
>>> citizen is able to in order to effect change? Has he made a proposal?
>>>
>>> Has he done the research and come up with a plan for adding these
>>> classes? Has he presented it to the right people? Has he come up with
>>>
>>> funding for this plan? Has he tried to make his voice heard in the
>>> right places? In short, has he done anything other than trying to
>>> strong-arm the district by bringing a lawsuit?"
>>>
>>> Yes, he did Paul. For years. But MSD doesn't listen.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Donovan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> */Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but the proper legal channels for adding more vo-tech
>>> programs in the Moscow School District do not include suing said
>>> district over the validity of a levy that passed earlier this year.
>>> I
>>> don't know what those channels are, but I'm pretty sure that the
>>> levy is
>>> a completely separate issue from them.
>>>
>>> Has Dr. Weitz tried the more common sense route of involving
>>> himself in
>>> the machinations of the school district in whatever way a private
>>> citizen is able to in order to effect change? Has he made a
>>> proposal?
>>> Has he done the research and come up with a plan for adding these
>>> classes? Has he presented it to the right people? Has he come up
>>> with
>>> funding for this plan? Has he tried to make his voice heard in the
>>> right places? In short, has he done anything other than trying to
>>> strong-arm the district by bringing a lawsuit?
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>> > Joe,
>>> >
>>> > You wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "If Weitz wants a vo-tech program he'd be better off asking me
>>> to put
>>> > forth the
>>> > case for vo-tech -- for a fraction of what he's paying his
>>> lawyers and
>>> > with a
>>> > greater chance of success since then the MSD won't think that
>>> they are
>>> > being
>>> > blackmailed"
>>> >
>>> > If you feel you can provide such a service, what is stopping
>>> you? You
>>> > aren't holding out on the kids just to spite Weitz are you?
>>> >
>>> > How can it be blackmail if he is using the proper legal
>>> channels, and
>>> > winning?
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Donovan
>>> >
>>> > */Joe Campbell /* wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Donovan,
>>> >
>>> > What does the law suit have to do with the lack of a vo-tech
>>> program?
>>> >
>>> > If Weitz wants a vo-tech program he'd be better off asking me to
>>> > put forth the
>>> > case for vo-tech -- for a fraction of what he's paying his lawyers
>>> > and with a
>>> > greater chance of success since then the MSD won't think that they
>>> > are being
>>> > blackmailed. Folks don't respond well to blackmail.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Joe Campbell
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