[Vision2020] Why I'm going to vote Yes on the Levy

Sun Nov 11 13:01:02 PST 2007

DJA writes:

"Isn't the point of high school and education in general to be able to survive and make a living in the real world? At least I thought that was the point. I think we need to give kids access to as many tools as possible, and let the kids choose the tools they like best to give them the best opportunity to be successful."

Did you go to high school and graduate?  Did you go to college and receive a Bachelors degree?  Haven't you started or even completed your masters?  Why are you always complaining about how expensive it is to shop at WinCo, how expensive rent is for your apartment, how expensive it is to drive all the way around the 3rd street bridge that does not exist, how expensive gas is, how expensive medical services are.  Everything with you is a complaint yet you claim that a person with an education should be able to survive and make a living in the real world.  Perhaps, you have not come close to experiencing the real world.  Perhaps you are still suckling off of the teats of society.  Perhaps you should get off your rear, like your grandfather Lee did (and it is Lee, not Gerard, ask him about the Lazy J), get a job, work hard, and quit complaining.  Use your education degree, contribute to society.  Quit complaining and move along.

TJR" 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment.' That is one of the key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way. Anybody who thinks that 'it doesn't matter who's President' has never been Drafted and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of the World -- or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public property -- or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons -- or locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access and twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will wish you had voted." - Hunter S. Thompson

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:40:13 -0800From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comTo: kjajmix1 at msn.com; mike_l_f at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I'm going to vote Yes on the Levy
Keely,

I am not talking about forcing children into tracks. I am talking about giving every child a shot at being what they are good at. I am not talking about denying any kids a chance at learning academically, I am talking about giving the kids a chance at developing a skill that they can bring into the workforce. 

Isn't the point of high school and education in general to be able to survive and make a living in the real world? At least I thought that was the point. I think we need to give kids access to as many tools as possible, and let the kids choose the tools they like best to give them the best opportunity to be successful. 

Best,

Donovan

keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

Donovan, the district can't "promise $1.5 million" of any amount to non college-bound students.  First of all, the enormity and complexity of NCLB and state regulations means that all enrolled kids have to be taught certain specific curricula.  Second, and most important here, schools are not in the business of deciding who is and who isn't a college-bound student.  To their credit, they teach the very best to the very most; anything else, such as tailoring curricula to the presumptive experiences in or out of college upon graduation, harkens back to the nauseating days of the 60s and 70s, when "tracking" was a common practice.  Minority kids, poor kids, kids who struggled academically -- the school decided they were on the "shop track" and funneled them to what we now call voc-tech classes.  Kids like you, kids like me -- we were "tracked" as college-bound, primarily because we were Anglo, didn't struggle enormously in school, and had parents who could and would agitate for "better," more academically-oriented classes.  Woe be it to the Mexican American student in Tucson in the mid-70s who wanted the college track and who aspired to be a physician or lawyer or engineer; the clear message, with a wide-eyed appeal to "the best for the student," was tracking based on demographics that denied individual promise.  It stunk then.  Thank God one of the very few benefits of NCLB is that it would illegally stink now.keely

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:52:21 -0800From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comTo: mike_l_f at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I'm going to vote Yes on the Levy
Mike,

You are little nicer than me. I want to see MSD dedicate the money first, then I would support them. I don't understand why they cannot promise $1,500,000 of their $7,000,000+ cannot go to non college bound students. I don't think that is unfair to ask.

They promise nothing with the taxpayers money except to spend it. 

Best,
DonovanMike Finkbiner <mike_l_f at hotmail.com> wrote:
My son graduated from Moscow High and I know several teachers who have worked in the district.We are not identical to Pullman, but I get very tired of hearing that we can't compare ourselves to them. Only a few miles apart, both are small towns next to a university. Pullman has made more opportunities available for their students in both voc-ed and dual enrollment. It may be difficult for us, but I feel that if we do not expand our offerings in both areas we will continue throwing away many students who don't fit into the average college bound mold.I'm going to vote yes on the levy, but after that - if the school district can't convince me that they are working VERY HARD to improve dual enrollment opportunities with the U of I and add more vocational education opportunities - in the future I will be voting No.-MikeMike Finkbinermike_l_f at hotmail.comDisclaimer: No trees were harmed in the sending of this message; however, a significant number of electrons were slightly inconvenienced.=======================================================List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com=======================================================__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

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