[Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......

pkraut at moscow.com pkraut at moscow.com
Mon May 21 16:20:27 PDT 2007


If we take them off the streets and make them difficult to get the bad 
guys will still have them and our beloved cops won't. Not good.


> Tom,
> 
> I believe that as a gun owner myself, we could do away with "assualt" 
> rifles. This creates a battle with myself though, since I do believe the 
the 
> 2nd amendment and also believe they do serve a purpose. I can understand 
> where you come from and how you would like to make things better. What I 
> don't understand is, why we as Americans try to place blame on something 
or 
> someone else, instead of taking responsibilty. Some might state that 
this 
> tragedy was caused by the gun itself.
> I will say it was caused by a pyscho asshole who has no remorse for 
other 
> lives, AND, by the sounds of his police record should have been in jail 
> anyways.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,        
> ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:43:44 -0700
> >
> >I agree with you to an extent, Matt.
> >
> >However, I believe that is a shared responsibility between the parents 
(or
> >lack thereof), the manufacturer (who fattens his fiscal bottom-line), 
the
> >law (that continues to permit it), and the seller (that makes them 
readily
> >available) that put a lethally armed killer in Moscow's First 
Presbyterian
> >Church last night.
> >
> >Continued easy access to assault rifles is not going to eliminate, or 
even
> >reduce, violent crimes.  Yet, I feel that removing their accessibility 
and
> >abolishing their legality may save lives.
> >
> >But then, I'm just one of them liberal wackos with a conscience doing 
what
> >comes natural.
> >
> >Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> >Tom Hansen
> >Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:25 PM
> >To: thansen at moscow.com; ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >You are correct. Sks along with most other semi auto can be manipulated 
> >into
> >
> >autos.
> >
> >It is very tragic that this event has come onto our front porch. It is 
also
> >unfortunate, that some will use this for anti gun agendas. This tragedy
> >could well have had the same outcome with a high powered hunting rifle. 
In
> >my opinion it is not the version of gun that did the damage, but 
instead 
> >the
> >
> >sick soul who has no respect for other life. If we must blame someone, 
lets
> >try his upbringing and the atmosphere that helped be who he was 
yesterday.
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
> > ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:58:55 -0800
> > >
> > >SKS rifles can be easily converted to full automatic mode, although 
the
> > >understood succession of fire could have been accomplished on
> > >semi-automatic.
> > >
> > >It is my impression that the shooter used 20-round clips as three 
empty
> > >clips were found in the courthouse parking lot and that it was 
reported
> > >that
> > >a total of approximately 75 rounds were fired (three empty clips on 
the
> > >ground, with one clip on the weapon).
> > >
> > >Tom Hansen
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >
> > >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > >On Behalf Of Matt Decker
> > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:44 PM
> > >To: ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> > >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >
> > >Nick Gier,
> > >
> > >Would any ban stop something like this?
> > >
> > >I believe the SkS rifle is the semi automatic versionof the Ak-47, not
> > >fully
> > >
> > >automatic. These weapons , I believe are sold with 10 round magazines,
> > >however bigger mags can be purchased anywhere.
> > >
> > >I guess your question all gets back to wheather its the gun or the 
person
> > >who does the killing.
> > >
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> > > >To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:19:00 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Greetings:
> > > >
> > > >I join with all of you in grieving this tragedy, right here in our 
own
> > > >little town.
> > > >
> > > >Gail and I were in the sanctuary of the Presbyterian Church on 
Saturday
> > >for
> > >
> > > >a memorial.  This morning there were some missing kids in my Sunday
> > >School
> > > >class (we are two blocks away), but five kids and two teachers had 
a 
> >good
> > > >discussion about how we can better secure our nation and our 
> >communities.
> > > >These young Unitarians are bright intellectually and emotionally 
> >strong,
> > > >but this hit them very hard.
> > > >
> > > >My heart goes out to the families directly involved.  I too am very 
> >proud
> > > >of our police force.  Dan Weaver is the finest police chief I've 
ever
> > > >known.
> > > >
> > > >One question: could keeping the ban on automatic rifles prevented 
the
> > > >buying of this weapon, assuming that it was bought in the last 
several
> > > >years?  20-30 round magazines are necessary only for war!
> > > >
> > > >Nick Gier
> > > >
> > > >>We never know, do we, when we will be called on to put aside those
> > >issues
> > > >>which divide us and seek healing for ourselves, our community and 
the
> > > >>families who have been so tragically harmed.
> > > >>
> > > >>It reminds us to be grateful for what we have and to mourn 
together 
> >what
> > > >>we
> > > >>have lost.  I think Moscow will never be the same.  This is the day
> > >which
> > > >>all of us who live here will always remember as a defining and 
tragic
> > > >>moment.
> > > >>
> > > >>My heartfelt condolences to the members of the Police Force who 
have
> > >lost
> > > >>an
> > > >>honored member, the Newbill family who has lost a loved one; and 
to 
> >the
> > > >>other members of the hospital community and the civic community my
> > > >>gratitude
> > > >>for the response meant to heal the wounded and protect the rest of 
us.
> > > >>
> > > >>And thank you Ghazi, for the beautiful words.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sue
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar" <ghazi at uidaho.edu>
> > > >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > >>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:41 PM
> > > >>Subject: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > My Dear Community:
> > > >> > Our daughter called from Atlanta this morning around 6.00a.m., 
and
> > > >>said,
> > > >> > "Dad, do you know what is happening in our Moscow?" Her words 
were
> > > >> > frightening; the rest is horrendous news for our town.
> > > >> > I have personally known several of our local Police Force. 
Having
> > >lived
> > > >> > here and loved this community for decades, this is by far the 
most
> > > >> > tragic event that I can recall. When
> > > >> > some suffer, we all suffer; and when some die, part of us 
> >dies....and
> > > >>we
> > > >> > agonize as to why......
> > > >> > Our grief is enormous......heartfelt condolences to the family 
of 
> >the
> > > >> > bereaved, brave Lew Newbill...and our most sincere good wishes,
> > >hopes,
> > > >> > and prayers for the recovery of Officer Brannon Johnson.
> > > >> > Let's also sincerely hope that a tragic event such as this can
> > > >>encourage
> > > >> > all of us to think in terms of community harmony and to be 
> >genuinely
> > > >> > more tolerant and accepting of others.....
> > > >> > Ghazi family
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > _______________________
> > > >> > Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar
> > > >> > Professor Emeritus/Economics (Emeritus, 2002; Dept.Chair, '79-
81;
> > > >>'93-01;
> > > >> > Director,             International Studies Program, '89-93)
> > > >> > University of Idaho
> > > >> > Moscow, Idaho 83843 (USA)
> > > >> > Phone: 208-885-7144(Office); 208-882-7619(Home)
> > > >> > Homepage: www.uidaho.edu/~ghazi
> > > >> >
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> > > >represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."
> > > >  --Mohandas Gandhi
> > > >
> > > >"Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system cannot 
be
> > > >discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying 
each 
> >part
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