[Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Sun May 6 17:50:51 PDT 2007
Well Gary,
Here is what I said with reference to lies:
"Further, I don't remember making any remarks about whether Rose Huskey allows comments or not. Perhaps, you can point out where I did. If you can't, own up to be a liar, or expose yourself as unman enough to admit a mistake and lose what little credibility you have left."
Somehow, I missed in your direct reply to this point.
Was it cleverly encoded somehow in your last reply? For the sake of one 350 years or so years old in locksmith years, perhaps you can help me by just quoting where I made any reference to whether Rose Huskey allows comments or not? If you can, I will immediately apologize. If not, and you still refuse to acknowledge your lie/error/whatever on this point, then perhaps its time for you to consider a testosterone patch -- that is, if your wife will permit it.
Also, I missed your rebuttal of Keely's contention:
"Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary. It's just nasty and snide, with a modicum of respect for actual facts."
Was that due to my poor reading skills with respect to this thread? Or are you contending that Courtney's web-blot has never slandered, mocked, or never has been nasty/snide to Keely? Its not a big deal to be nasty/snide. [Public discourse abounds with such; one only need look at some of my V 2020 postings to find clear, unambiguous examples.] But it is quite different -- read: dishonest and cowardly, to deny that it occurs on Courtney's web-blot.
Some of the discussions on V 2020 have been derailed because of one poster in particular just makes up "facts" to support their positions. Even when they are caught, they refuse to acknowledge their lies. Hence, when this poster does make good points, they are ignored because hardly anyone believes any of their "facts" anymore. You are close to making that a set of two.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: g. crabtree
To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Let me get this straight. Based on nothing more then Ms. Mix's contention that Dale misstated some facts in a manner that she found unpleasant I should renounce my masculinity all in an effort to retain my credibility with you?
Hear that noise? It's my uncontrolled laughter and knee slapping. Hell, I'm guessing even your friends (if ya have any) are giggling. I mean really, the very thought that poor dour Wayne thinks that I'm a girly man and has no respect for me carries any weight is simply beyond hilarious. thanks for finishing off my day with a hearty chuckle.
clairice
p.s. maybe you'd like to ponder this "unman" comment along with your pet theory on transference that you incessantly prattle on about and then answer the following question. Are you lonely, Tiger?
c
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Gary,
It appears you were not reading your previous or post or Keely's reply very carefully. Here are your lies I was referring to:
"Mr. Courtney's blog is a news/items of interest site with a modicum of commentary tossed in on the side."
Or perhaps you don't read Courtney's and others' comments; and who could blame you, but they are part of Courtney's web-blot.
Here are Keely's rebuttal remarks to these lies whose truth even a NSA staff member could verify:
"Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary. It's just nasty and snide, with a modicum of respect for actual facts."
Further, I don't remember making any remarks about whether Rose Huskey allows comments or not. Perhaps, you can point out where I did. If you can't, own up to be a liar, or expose yourself as unman enough to admit a mistake and lose what little credibility you have left.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: g. crabtree
To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
I stand (and without a walker no less!) by previously made remarks. Rose's site does not currently allow comments and she told me directly and personally that when they were allowed they would be allowed only "within appropriate parameters" (note the quotation marks, her words not mine) Dale's site allows commentary and he does not censor the remarks that appear. When you or Keely make an unsupported assertion it does not automatically become exposure of lies, but you already knew that didn't you? I suspect you've been using these sorts of disingenuous tactics since the Smoot/Hawley debates when you were a somewhat younger crank.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Gary,
Keely has already exposed your lies about Courtney's the nature web-blots. I only view them when receiving a link from a local person or from the crackpot tracking service to which I subscribe. You'd be surprised at how often your hero Cultmaster Wilson and his various toadies show up.
However, I take great, great offense at your statement:
"At your advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated."
I am only 350 or so in locksmith years.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: keely emerinemix
To: g. crabtree ; Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Ummm, hey? Gary? Rose's blog says she allows comments. Just not bigoted ones. She gets to decide.
Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary. It's just nasty and snide, with a modicum of respect for actual facts.
keely
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From: jampot at adelphia.net
To: deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:29:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
My goodness, Wayne all those years of bottled up spleen are certainly making themselves apparent in today's posting aren't they? (what is it now, 101? You don't look a day over 98 but you are a testament to the notion that old and grumpy do go hand in hand) Lets address your little hissy fit in the order that you excreted it.
You take me to task for the sentence:
"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness of actual debate."
Mr. Courtney's blog is a news/items of interest site with a modicum of commentary tossed in on the side. Not screeds and lengthy personnel political rants. A greatly appreciated aspect to his using this format is that items of interest to him are not directed to and clogging up the greater groups inbox unlike certain others who shall remain nameless.
In my memory of Dale's posts to the V he did a fine job of expressing and defending his view points, as did Rose. The difference was that Dale was the lone mongoose in the viper pit and Rose sang with the choir. I perfectly understand how being the minority voice can become tiresome and, eventually, not worth the effort. In conversations I have had with Dale I have done my best, sorry as it is, to convince and encourage him to rejoin the fray. Lord knows I would enjoy an additional conservative voice here to help sing the counterpoint to the rest of ya'lls dreary dirge. Do I have "distain and censure" for Rose and her new endeavor? Not hardly, I'm not wild about the fact that it doesn't allow for comments (as Dale's does) but I have been assured that this is but a temporary thing and will change "soon." I have been informed that comments must fall within "appropriate parameters" and this IS a type of censorship I'm not particularly fond of. I truly fail to see how anything I have posted might be construed as being in favor of limiting anyone's free expression. You seem to be laboring under the erroneous and fatuous assumption that Rose and I are enemies of some sort. Nothing could be further from the truth. We get on rather well, all things considered and I wish her nothing but the best in her latest whimsy and I hope that it doesn't suffer the same ignoble fate that lil' Joannie's did.
Whether I have "exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony" is for others to decide. What I have been trying to express is my contention that more light (and heat) is shed in an unmediated, unrestrained setting and that it's the venue that I, personally prefer (even if it means having to endure silly fonts & unrestrained use of color) for hashing out the topics de jour as opposed to having to listen (read) someone hold forth ad nauseum.
Now hows about you have yourself a nice little nap and try and get a little more fiber in your diet and see if your cranky and constipated outlook don't take a remarkable turn for the better. At your advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated.
g
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Well, Gary,
I am surprised that you have the stupidity to mention and to champion Dale Courtney's web-blots so soon after you wrote the following about Rose Huskey and others:
"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness of actual debate."
Are you too busy playing with your keys to see that Courtney runs his own web-blots in part because he was not able to effectively defend his positions on V 2020, and so that he may remove comments that he doesn't like, or remove comments that point out where he either misquotes, quotes out of context, or quotes incompletely to give the wrong impression. It's all right for Dale Courtney, but not for Rose Huskey?
Further, you pretended a few days ago to be staunchly anti-censorship and a true defender of freedom of speech "Censorship sucks" were your words. Now you express disdain and censure for those who dare, like your hero Courtney, to express themselves in a blog - a decidedly anti-free-expression position on your part.
You sir, have just exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony, whose writings express a desire to control what others say and do almost as much as do the cultmaster's!
Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID 83843
(208) 882-7975
waf at moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: g. crabtree
To: Tom Hansen ; heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
I know I'm probably going to regret this but my curiosity is hopelessly piqued. Just exactly what action did you take that would serve as a shining example for others to emulate? Is it the thinly veiled vulgarities in your post? Is it maintaining a hate web site against a small local protestant congregation? Is it endlessly posting of news tidbits that you think should be of interest to others? Is it your tireless and constant monitoring of Dale Courtney's web site? I'd really like to know what it is so I could thank you properly for your ongoing good works. (once their identified)
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hansen
To: heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
No-Clue –
You keep submitting gutless threats. Is that all there is to you? My guess is “Yes”.
I am going to repeat a comment I made to you a long time ago:
“SH*T OR GET THE HELL OFF THE POT!”
Loosely translated that means: Be a FRIGGIN’ man for once in your spineless, ignorantly childish life! Crawl out from under that rock of yours and DO SOMETHING. Either take action or SHUT the EFF UP!
I have set an example for you to follow when I took action in the past (and will continue to do so in the future).
Jeesh!
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”
- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:17 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
And I quote, ".... course of conduct constitute an implied threat."
Wow J.,
That would have to be the best example of point proving since Joan's "jack-boot-vasectomy-procedure" from many months past.
There is nothing like being the poster girl for the Intoleristas! Is there.
D.
I'd tell you go do yourself, but you'd have to grow some first. Which isn't about to happen this late in the game, now is it? The end. J :]
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