[Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Sat May 5 16:06:34 PDT 2007
Faith works quite well for me. Indisputable less so. Without knowing the specifics of which you speak I am hardly in a position to make any kind of a judgment with regard to the pair of lies you accuse Dale of telling. As with you, I believe that Dale is also human and capable of error. I suspect that there are two sides to the disagreement you refer to and that there is a boat load of room for dispute.
g
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From: keely emerinemix
To: g. crabtree ; Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Believe me, I'm human to a fault and then some; as a matter of fact, I'm occasionally even a real snot. As I've said before, my faith -- would you feel better if I call it a "personal belief system"? -- requires that be kind and truthful. It doesn't require that I always act nice.
You're right, of course, in that "slander" as a legal term hasn't been proved in court. I would have had to prove an absolute, direct, tangible loss -- for example, of income for my business (I don't have one, though), or if I could prove that I lost an election because of something he said. As my attorney said, the only missing is the one thing I'd need. But really, Gary, how do you ever prove that someone voted one way because of a particular reason or not? Now, I know that a few folks will crow gleefully, "Aha! THAT'S why she didn't run for reelection! Gotcha!" But, alas -- I was very clear why I didn't run, and a subsequent medical diagnosis proved that it was a good decision for me to make at the time.
However, the fact that Dale has lied about me in print on his blog twice, and has further refused to acknowledge my attempts to correct him, to apologize, or to acknowledge his error, is indisputable. Not that you care. But he should, and so should the good Christian men with whom he serves at Christ Church. That he doesn't neither surprises nor dismays me, though. I may be my brother's keeper, but I ain't his pastor.
keely
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From: jampot at adelphia.net
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:17:02 -0700
Keely, the remarks I made with regard to Rose's blog were quoted verbatim from mail that she sent to me on the subject. I took no editorial license, just straight from the horses mouth. (note the quotation marks)
Slander, being a legal term, would be easy for you to prove to me by showing me the judgment that the court rendered in your favor. Baring that its just a disagreement concerning the facts. Snide and nasty are in the eye of the beholder. Being mocked is something big girls simply deal with. If you're going to have an opinion and attempt to inflict it on the world you can expect for people to take exception. Are you trying to get me and the rest of the fine folks here on the V to believe that you have never displayed any of the qualities that you accuse Dale of? Never been a little snarky, a little mean? Never fudged the facts to present your position in its most favorable light? Don't even bother to answer, I'm sure we all know. You're human, despite your attempts to have us believe otherwise.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: keely emerinemix
To: g. crabtree ; Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Ummm, hey? Gary? Rose's blog says she allows comments. Just not bigoted ones. She gets to decide.
Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary. It's just nasty and snide, with a modicum of respect for actual facts.
keely
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From: jampot at adelphia.net
To: deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:29:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
My goodness, Wayne all those years of bottled up spleen are certainly making themselves apparent in today's posting aren't they? (what is it now, 101? You don't look a day over 98 but you are a testament to the notion that old and grumpy do go hand in hand) Lets address your little hissy fit in the order that you excreted it.
You take me to task for the sentence:
"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness of actual debate."
Mr. Courtney's blog is a news/items of interest site with a modicum of commentary tossed in on the side. Not screeds and lengthy personnel political rants. A greatly appreciated aspect to his using this format is that items of interest to him are not directed to and clogging up the greater groups inbox unlike certain others who shall remain nameless.
In my memory of Dale's posts to the V he did a fine job of expressing and defending his view points, as did Rose. The difference was that Dale was the lone mongoose in the viper pit and Rose sang with the choir. I perfectly understand how being the minority voice can become tiresome and, eventually, not worth the effort. In conversations I have had with Dale I have done my best, sorry as it is, to convince and encourage him to rejoin the fray. Lord knows I would enjoy an additional conservative voice here to help sing the counterpoint to the rest of ya'lls dreary dirge. Do I have "distain and censure" for Rose and her new endeavor? Not hardly, I'm not wild about the fact that it doesn't allow for comments (as Dale's does) but I have been assured that this is but a temporary thing and will change "soon." I have been informed that comments must fall within "appropriate parameters" and this IS a type of censorship I'm not particularly fond of. I truly fail to see how anything I have posted might be construed as being in favor of limiting anyone's free expression. You seem to be laboring under the erroneous and fatuous assumption that Rose and I are enemies of some sort. Nothing could be further from the truth. We get on rather well, all things considered and I wish her nothing but the best in her latest whimsy and I hope that it doesn't suffer the same ignoble fate that lil' Joannie's did.
Whether I have "exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony" is for others to decide. What I have been trying to express is my contention that more light (and heat) is shed in an unmediated, unrestrained setting and that it's the venue that I, personally prefer (even if it means having to endure silly fonts & unrestrained use of color) for hashing out the topics de jour as opposed to having to listen (read) someone hold forth ad nauseum.
Now hows about you have yourself a nice little nap and try and get a little more fiber in your diet and see if your cranky and constipated outlook don't take a remarkable turn for the better. At your advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated.
g
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Well, Gary,
I am surprised that you have the stupidity to mention and to champion Dale Courtney's web-blots so soon after you wrote the following about Rose Huskey and others:
"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness of actual debate."
Are you too busy playing with your keys to see that Courtney runs his own web-blots in part because he was not able to effectively defend his positions on V 2020, and so that he may remove comments that he doesn't like, or remove comments that point out where he either misquotes, quotes out of context, or quotes incompletely to give the wrong impression. It's all right for Dale Courtney, but not for Rose Huskey?
Further, you pretended a few days ago to be staunchly anti-censorship and a true defender of freedom of speech "Censorship sucks" were your words. Now you express disdain and censure for those who dare, like your hero Courtney, to express themselves in a blog - a decidedly anti-free-expression position on your part.
You sir, have just exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony, whose writings express a desire to control what others say and do almost as much as do the cultmaster's!
Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID 83843
(208) 882-7975
waf at moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: g. crabtree
To: Tom Hansen ; heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
I know I'm probably going to regret this but my curiosity is hopelessly piqued. Just exactly what action did you take that would serve as a shining example for others to emulate? Is it the thinly veiled vulgarities in your post? Is it maintaining a hate web site against a small local protestant congregation? Is it endlessly posting of news tidbits that you think should be of interest to others? Is it your tireless and constant monitoring of Dale Courtney's web site? I'd really like to know what it is so I could thank you properly for your ongoing good works. (once their identified)
g
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From: Tom Hansen
To: heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
No-Clue –
You keep submitting gutless threats. Is that all there is to you? My guess is “Yes”.
I am going to repeat a comment I made to you a long time ago:
“SH*T OR GET THE HELL OFF THE POT!”
Loosely translated that means: Be a FRIGGIN’ man for once in your spineless, ignorantly childish life! Crawl out from under that rock of yours and DO SOMETHING. Either take action or SHUT the EFF UP!
I have set an example for you to follow when I took action in the past (and will continue to do so in the future).
Jeesh!
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”
- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:17 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
And I quote, ".... course of conduct constitute an implied threat."
Wow J.,
That would have to be the best example of point proving since Joan's "jack-boot-vasectomy-procedure" from many months past.
There is nothing like being the poster girl for the Intoleristas! Is there.
D.
I'd tell you go do yourself, but you'd have to grow some first. Which isn't about to happen this late in the game, now is it? The end. J :]
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