[Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Sat May 5 14:39:28 PDT 2007
I stand (and without a walker no less!) by previously made remarks. Rose's site does not currently allow comments and she told me directly and personally that when they were allowed they would be allowed only "within appropriate parameters" (note the quotation marks, her words not mine) Dale's site allows commentary and he does not censor the remarks that appear. When you or Keely make an unsupported assertion it does not automatically become exposure of lies, but you already knew that didn't you? I suspect you've been using these sorts of disingenuous tactics since the Smoot/Hawley debates when you were a somewhat younger crank.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Gary,
Keely has already exposed your lies about Courtney's the nature web-blots. I only view them when receiving a link from a local person or from the crackpot tracking service to which I subscribe. You'd be surprised at how often your hero Cultmaster Wilson and his various toadies show up.
However, I take great, great offense at your statement:
"At your advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated."
I am only 350 or so in locksmith years.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: keely emerinemix
To: g. crabtree ; Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Ummm, hey? Gary? Rose's blog says she allows comments. Just not bigoted ones. She gets to decide.
Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary. It's just nasty and snide, with a modicum of respect for actual facts.
keely
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From: jampot at adelphia.net
To: deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:29:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
My goodness, Wayne all those years of bottled up spleen are certainly making themselves apparent in today's posting aren't they? (what is it now, 101? You don't look a day over 98 but you are a testament to the notion that old and grumpy do go hand in hand) Lets address your little hissy fit in the order that you excreted it.
You take me to task for the sentence:
"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness of actual debate."
Mr. Courtney's blog is a news/items of interest site with a modicum of commentary tossed in on the side. Not screeds and lengthy personnel political rants. A greatly appreciated aspect to his using this format is that items of interest to him are not directed to and clogging up the greater groups inbox unlike certain others who shall remain nameless.
In my memory of Dale's posts to the V he did a fine job of expressing and defending his view points, as did Rose. The difference was that Dale was the lone mongoose in the viper pit and Rose sang with the choir. I perfectly understand how being the minority voice can become tiresome and, eventually, not worth the effort. In conversations I have had with Dale I have done my best, sorry as it is, to convince and encourage him to rejoin the fray. Lord knows I would enjoy an additional conservative voice here to help sing the counterpoint to the rest of ya'lls dreary dirge. Do I have "distain and censure" for Rose and her new endeavor? Not hardly, I'm not wild about the fact that it doesn't allow for comments (as Dale's does) but I have been assured that this is but a temporary thing and will change "soon." I have been informed that comments must fall within "appropriate parameters" and this IS a type of censorship I'm not particularly fond of. I truly fail to see how anything I have posted might be construed as being in favor of limiting anyone's free expression. You seem to be laboring under the erroneous and fatuous assumption that Rose and I are enemies of some sort. Nothing could be further from the truth. We get on rather well, all things considered and I wish her nothing but the best in her latest whimsy and I hope that it doesn't suffer the same ignoble fate that lil' Joannie's did.
Whether I have "exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony" is for others to decide. What I have been trying to express is my contention that more light (and heat) is shed in an unmediated, unrestrained setting and that it's the venue that I, personally prefer (even if it means having to endure silly fonts & unrestrained use of color) for hashing out the topics de jour as opposed to having to listen (read) someone hold forth ad nauseum.
Now hows about you have yourself a nice little nap and try and get a little more fiber in your diet and see if your cranky and constipated outlook don't take a remarkable turn for the better. At your advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated.
g
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
Well, Gary,
I am surprised that you have the stupidity to mention and to champion Dale Courtney's web-blots so soon after you wrote the following about Rose Huskey and others:
"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness of actual debate."
Are you too busy playing with your keys to see that Courtney runs his own web-blots in part because he was not able to effectively defend his positions on V 2020, and so that he may remove comments that he doesn't like, or remove comments that point out where he either misquotes, quotes out of context, or quotes incompletely to give the wrong impression. It's all right for Dale Courtney, but not for Rose Huskey?
Further, you pretended a few days ago to be staunchly anti-censorship and a true defender of freedom of speech "Censorship sucks" were your words. Now you express disdain and censure for those who dare, like your hero Courtney, to express themselves in a blog - a decidedly anti-free-expression position on your part.
You sir, have just exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony, whose writings express a desire to control what others say and do almost as much as do the cultmaster's!
Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID 83843
(208) 882-7975
waf at moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: g. crabtree
To: Tom Hansen ; heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
I know I'm probably going to regret this but my curiosity is hopelessly piqued. Just exactly what action did you take that would serve as a shining example for others to emulate? Is it the thinly veiled vulgarities in your post? Is it maintaining a hate web site against a small local protestant congregation? Is it endlessly posting of news tidbits that you think should be of interest to others? Is it your tireless and constant monitoring of Dale Courtney's web site? I'd really like to know what it is so I could thank you properly for your ongoing good works. (once their identified)
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hansen
To: heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
No-Clue –
You keep submitting gutless threats. Is that all there is to you? My guess is “Yes”.
I am going to repeat a comment I made to you a long time ago:
“SH*T OR GET THE HELL OFF THE POT!”
Loosely translated that means: Be a FRIGGIN’ man for once in your spineless, ignorantly childish life! Crawl out from under that rock of yours and DO SOMETHING. Either take action or SHUT the EFF UP!
I have set an example for you to follow when I took action in the past (and will continue to do so in the future).
Jeesh!
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”
- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:17 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,
And I quote, ".... course of conduct constitute an implied threat."
Wow J.,
That would have to be the best example of point proving since Joan's "jack-boot-vasectomy-procedure" from many months past.
There is nothing like being the poster girl for the Intoleristas! Is there.
D.
I'd tell you go do yourself, but you'd have to grow some first. Which isn't about to happen this late in the game, now is it? The end. J :]
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