[Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,

Sat May 5 12:39:26 PDT 2007

Ummm, hey?  Gary?  Rose's blog says she allows comments.  Just not bigoted ones.  She gets to decide.Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary.  It's just nasty and snide, with a modicum of respect for actual facts.keelyFrom: jampot at adelphia.netTo: deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.comDate: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:29:30 -0700Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,

My goodness, Wayne all those years of bottled up 
spleen are certainly making themselves apparent in today's posting aren't they? 
(what is it now, 101? You don't look a day over 98 but you are a testament to 
the notion that old and grumpy do go hand in hand) Lets address your little 
hissy fit in the order that you excreted it.

You take me to task for the sentence:

"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your 
irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the 
unpleasantness of actual debate."

Mr. Courtney's blog is a news/items of interest site with a modicum of 
commentary tossed in on the side. Not screeds and lengthy personnel political 
rants. A greatly appreciated aspect to his using this format is that items of 
interest to him  are not directed to and clogging up the greater groups 
inbox unlike certain others who shall remain nameless.

In my memory of Dale's posts to the V he did a fine job of expressing and 
defending his view points, as did Rose. The difference was that Dale was the 
lone mongoose in the viper pit and Rose sang with the choir.  I perfectly 
understand how being the minority voice can become tiresome and, eventually, not 
worth the effort. In conversations I have had with Dale I have done my best, 
sorry as it is, to convince and encourage him to rejoin the fray. Lord knows I 
would enjoy an additional conservative voice here to help sing the 
counterpoint to the rest of ya'lls dreary dirge. Do I have "distain and censure" 
for Rose and her new endeavor? Not hardly, I'm not wild about the fact that it 
doesn't allow for comments (as Dale's does) but I have been assured that this is 
but a temporary thing and will change "soon." I have been informed that comments 
must fall within "appropriate parameters" and this IS a type of censorship I'm 
not particularly fond of. I truly fail to see how anything I have posted 
might be construed as being in favor of limiting anyone's free expression. You 
seem to be laboring under the erroneous and fatuous assumption that 
Rose and I are enemies of some sort. Nothing could be further from the truth. We 
get on rather well, all things considered and I wish her nothing but the best in 
her latest whimsy and I hope that it doesn't suffer the same ignoble 
fate that lil' Joannie's did.

Whether I have "exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony" is for others 
to decide. What I have been trying to express is my contention that more light 
(and heat) is shed in an unmediated, unrestrained setting and that it's the 
venue that I, personally prefer (even if it means having to endure silly fonts 
& unrestrained use of color) for hashing out the topics de jour as 
opposed to having to listen (read) someone hold forth ad nauseum.

Now hows about you have yourself a nice little nap and try and get a little 
more fiber in your diet and see if your cranky and constipated outlook don't 
take a remarkable turn for the better. At your advanced age you shouldn't get so 
agitated.

g

  From: 
  Art Deco 
  To: Vision 2020 
  Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not 
  "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,

  Well, Gary,

  I am surprised that you have the stupidity to mention and to champion 
  Dale Courtney's web-blots so soon after you wrote the following about Rose 
  Huskey and others:

  "Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your 
  irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness 
  of actual debate."

  Are you too busy playing with your keys to see that Courtney runs his own 
  web-blots in part because he was not able to effectively defend his positions 
  on V 2020, and so that he may remove comments that he doesn't like, or remove 
  comments that point out where he either misquotes, quotes out of context, or 
  quotes incompletely to give the wrong impression.  It's all right for 
  Dale Courtney, but not for Rose Huskey?

  Further, you pretended a few days ago to be staunchly anti-censorship and 
  a true defender of freedom of speech  "Censorship 
  sucks" were your words.  Now you express disdain and 
  censure for those who dare, like your hero Courtney, to express 
  themselves in a blog - a decidedly anti-free-expression position on your 
  part.

  You sir, have just exhibited yourself for all to see as a phony, whose 
  writings express a desire to control what others say and do almost as much as 
  do the cultmaster's!

  Wayne A. Fox1009 Karen LanePO Box 9421Moscow, ID  
  83843

  (208) 882-7975waf at moscow.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: g. crabtree 

  To: Tom Hansen ; heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you 
  harass someone,

  I know I'm probably going to regret this but my 
  curiosity is hopelessly piqued. Just exactly what action did you take that 
  would serve as a shining example for others to emulate? Is it the thinly 
  veiled vulgarities in your post? Is it maintaining a hate web site against a 
  small local protestant congregation? Is it endlessly posting of news tidbits 
  that you think should be of interest to others? Is it your tireless and 
  constant monitoring of Dale Courtney's web site? I'd really like to know 
  what it is so I could thank you properly for your ongoing good works. (once 
  their identified)

  g

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: 
    Tom Hansen 

    To: heirdoug at netscape.net ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
    Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:44 
AM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not 
    "cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,

    No-Clue 
    –

    You keep submitting 
    gutless threats.  Is that all there is to you?  My guess is 
    “Yes”.

    I am going to 
    repeat a comment I made to you a long time ago:

    “SH*T OR GET THE 
    HELL OFF THE POT!”

    Loosely translated 
    that means:  Be a FRIGGIN’ man for once in your spineless, ignorantly 
    childish life!  Crawl out from under that rock of yours and DO 
    SOMETHING.  Either take action or SHUT the EFF 
    UP!

    I have set an 
    example for you to follow when I took action in the past (and will continue 
    to do so in the future).

    Jeesh!

    Tom 
    Hansen
    Moscow, Idaho

    “Uh, how about a 1-strike 
    law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”- 
    Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 
    2005)

    From: 
    vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] 
    On Behalf Of 
    heirdoug at netscape.netSent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:17 
    PMTo: 
    vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: [Vision2020] It's not 
    "cyberstalking" unless you harass 
someone,

    And I quote, ".... course of conduct constitute an 
    implied threat."

    Wow J.,

    That would have to be the best example of point 
    proving since Joan's 
    "jack-boot-vasectomy-procedure" from many months 
    past.

    There is nothing like being the poster girl for the 
    Intoleristas! Is there.

    D.

     I'd tell you go do yourself, but you'd have to grow some first.  Which isn't about to happen this late in the game, now is it? The end. J  :]

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