[Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the BLog)
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 25 22:31:39 PDT 2007
Again, you avoid the question by poising a diversion - the challenge stands.
The fact is, these people are paid for out of the pockets of those whose
children attend those schools and out of the church funds. That makes the
money rather a "public" thing. So, if someone within those groups asks for
an accounting, they should be given it. Point is, that simply does not
happen with this group of "schools".
J :]
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
>BLog)
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:38:11 -0700
>
>Why, exactly, should a private organization be required (forced) to
>disclose
>agreements between itself and private individuals? Is the satisfaction of
>your curiosity so urgent as to compel the revelation of information to
>which
>you have no legitimate reason or need to possess? (which was the point of
>my
>noninvasive and reasonable remarks in the first place)
>
>g
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
>BLog)
>
>
> >
> > A. Nope.
> >
> > B. I am not paid by anyone publicly nor am I a member of an
>organization
> > that really should be required to disclose this kinda info to those
>paying
> > me. Other churches do so. Those that do pay me know what I am paid.
> > Guarantee you those at CC, parents of those at Logos and NSA do NOT know
> > what their "teachers" are paid much less what benefit packages they get.
> > GUARANTEE!
> >
> > C. If its so "noninvasive and reasonable" - you first! And of course
>the
> > challenge stands - especially since you seem to think it IS "noninvasive
> > and
> > reasonable."
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> >>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
> >>BLog)
> >>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:48:21 -0700
> >>
> >>Perhaps as a demonstration of good faith you'd like to start the ball
> >>rolling by providing the same information about yourself? A complete
> >>breakdown of the last five years should be adequate to show just how
> >>noninvasive and reasonable you feel this sort of request is.
> >>
> >>g
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:09 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
> >>BLog)
> >>
> >>
> >> > Challenge (again) to Dale and all the other bloat-masters at the CC,
> >>Logos
> >> > and NSA - GIVE US YOUR WAGE EARNINGS, which should include any and
>all
> >> > benefit packages.
> >> >
> >> > Also, please include any and all educational background that enables
> >> > you
> >> > to
> >> > be teaching in these "institutions".
> >> >
> >> > And lastly, what is Doug Wilson's wages and benefits?
> >> >
> >> > Bet we don't see ANY response to this challenge - its been made
>before
> >>and
> >> > we have yet to see any results. Note: ALL said wages and bennies
>are
> >> > paid
> >> > for by the patrons of the Christ Church - and they are NOT given any
> >>kind
> >> > of
> >> > break-down or wage/earnings statements on any of the teachers or
>admin
> >> > people in those institutions.
> >> >
> >> > Put THAT info on your blog, Courtney!
> >> >
> >> > J :]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
> >>BLog)
> >> >>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:42:53 -0700
> >> >>
> >> >> >From Dale Courtney's BLog at:
> >> >>
> >>
> >>http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2007/03/23/50865.aspx#com
> >> >>ments
> >> >>
> >> >>-----------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>School District Administration and Oversight
> >> >>The Idaho Office of Performance and Evaluations has posted their most
> >> >>recent
> >> >>"School District Administration and Oversight" report.
> >> >>
> >> >>Here are some choice quotes about MSD.
> >> >>
> >> >>Page 14:
> >> >>
> >> >>While Moscow and Preston had comparable enrollment, Moscow had more
> >> >>schools
> >> >>and a larger number of school administrators and support staff.
> >> >>
> >> >>.
> >> >>
> >> >>Boise, Lake Pend Oreille, and Moscow had more administrative staff
>than
> >> >>districts with similar enrollment. Each of these districts received a
> >> >>larger
> >> >>share of their total funding from local sources than did
> >>comparable-sized
> >> >>districts. In addition, these districts generally had more revenue
>per
> >> >>pupil
> >> >>than the comparison districts. All three districts have received
> >> >>funding
> >> >>from supplemental levies approved by local taxpayers.
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>Comments
> >> >>
> >> >># re: School District Administration and Oversight
> >> >>
> >> >>Friday, March 23, 2007 10:42 PM by Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>This is an interesting report. It does show clearly MSD staff bloat
> >> >>and
> >> >>the
> >> >>overwhelming MSD reliance on additional funds from local bonds rather
> >>than
> >> >>managing their budget as the other districts do.
> >> >>
> >> >>One interesting point that should be noted by Tom Hansen, who feels
> >> >>strongly
> >> >>that data should be up to date, is that this study used data from a
> >> >>variety
> >> >>of years. Much of the report used 2002 - 2005 data. Tom should take
> >>note
> >> >>because he posted a Letter to the Editor on V2020 complaining that
> >> >>information on MoscowLevy.com was invalid because it used 2005 data.
> >>Will
> >> >>Tom take the Idaho legislature to task for not updating their studies
> >>more
> >> >>frequently? Will Tom call the Idaho legislature study invalid and
> >> >>inaccurate? No - of course not.
> >> >>
> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>The "report" referenced by both Dale Courtney and Dave ("School
> >> >>District
> >> >>Administration and Oversight" report) links to:
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/ope/publications/reports/r0403.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>Dave goes on to state:
> >> >>
> >> >>"Much of the report used 2002 - 2005 data"
> >> >>
> >> >>Well, Dave. The report (see attached PDF file) is dated January 2004
> >>and
> >> >>concerns data accumulated during fiscal year 2002 (July 2001 - June
> >>2002)
> >> >>and fiscal year 2003 (July 2002 - June 2003). The most recent data
> >> >>available from this report is almost FOUR YEARS OLD.
> >> >>
> >> >>Dave goes on to allude:
> >> >>
> >> >>"Tom take the Idaho legislature to task for not updating their
>studies
> >> >>more
> >> >>frequently?"
> >> >>
> >> >>I don't think so, Dave. The fault does not lie with the state
> >>legislature
> >> >>for not providing more recent data. In this case, the problem is
>with
> >>the
> >> >>person (Dale Courtney in this case) who presents such data as
> >> >>up-to-date
> >> >>and
> >> >>accurate.
> >> >>
> >> >>We shouldn't hold the state legislature responsible for dale
>Courtney's
> >> >>lack
> >> >>of valid research.
> >> >>
> >> >>Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >> >>
> >> >>Tom Hansen
> >> >>Moscow, Idaho
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >><< SchDistAdminOver_0104.pdf >>
> >> >
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