[Vision2020] FW: Words Bring Pause

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 12 22:19:03 PDT 2007


Kettle on Line Two, Pat.

Say, speaking of bombardment, is Bush going to bomb Iran next?

Sunil


>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring Pause
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:05:35 -0800
>
>You are so arrogantly sure of this??  You need to be educated in so many
>ways that I am surprised they let you anywhere near a school anything in
>anyway!!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: <ophite at gmail.com>; <pkraut at moscow.com>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring Pause
>
>
>I am astonished at the hard-heartedness, not to mention the embrace of
>ignorance, evidenced in Pat's comments below.  There isn't enough time, and
>I don't have the energy, to illustrate how insane and inane it is to 
>pretend
>that the problems of the poor pale in comparison to the inconvenience their
>plight and presence cause the affluent.  We already blame poor people and
>immigrants for being poor and foreign, but now we can add to their faults
>that they annoy us and act rudely by not speaking English when -- if -- we
>have any contact with them.  Which, of course, we'd rather not.
>
>My God, Pat -- how does a subliterate Mexican immigrant who pulls two full
>shifts a day working among cows and other Spanish speakers in the same
>situation learn English?  How does a woman who is afraid to leave her
>apartment or trailer summon the resources to find and attend English
>classes?  And how do you explain the scores of people who, exhausted from
>doing the shit work none of us want to do and afraid to trust anyone 
>outside
>of their own homes, nonetheless made their way to my English classes for 12
>years?  Do you have any sense of the courage, the motivation, and the
>resourcefulness it takes to live like that?
>
>Well, no.  Probably not.
>
>But do you think it's possible that "how it makes Pat feel" might not be 
>the
>critical point here?   You benefit from being white, legal, literate and
>relatively secure, and you also benefit from immigrant labor.  Could you
>maybe concede a little social discomfort in favor of those whose suffering
>is markedly more pronounced than the choice to feel slighted when faced 
>with
>the invitation to "Oprime el Dos" ("Press two") when caught in a customer
>service phone web?
>
>It occurs to me that the complaints I've read over the last couple of days
>are the provence of those affluent and comfortable enough to never have to
>live as the "other," and while I'm glad you're safe and secure, I'm really
>sad that your heart is as jagged as it appears.   Your relative prosperity
>might go unquestioned, but you're going to have to give account for the
>poverty of your compassion toward those who need it.
>
>keely
>
>
>
>
>
>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>CC: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring Pause
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:38:54 -0700
>
>On 3/12/07, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > i have a question; We are constantly bombarded with information so we 
>do
>not
>  > insult those moving here whether they are illegal or not. Do they ever
>get
>  > classes or information about the problems they are causing us?? Do they
>  > realize how much they insult us? I do not think I have seen a sign
>telling
>  > them to be polite, kind or helpful to citizens of the US.
>
>Pat --
>
>Have you ever been denied a job because you weren't an immigrant? Have
>you ever been assaulted simply because you're white? Have you ever
>been denied basic civil rights because of your heritage? It's not
>rudeness that you're being told to avoid: it's actively screwing up
>the lives of people for no good goddamn reason.
>
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